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On 03/24/2014 01:34 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> I'm here because I want to sell corn for bitcoin, and I believe it will be
> more profitable for me to do that with a bitcoin-blockchain-based system
> in which I have the capability to audit the code that executes the trade.

A discussion over such a system would be on-topic. Indeed I have made my
own proposals for systems with that capability in the past:

http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/31322676/

There's no reason to invoke alts however. There are ways where this can
be done within the bitcoin ecosystem, using bitcoins:

http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32108143/

> I think that's fair, so long as we limit bitcoin-development discussion to
> issues that are relevant to the owners of the hashrate and companies that
> pay developer salaries.
> 
> What I'm asking for is some honesty that Bitcoin is a centralized system
> and to stop arguing technical points on the altar of distributed/decentralized
> whatever. It's pretty clear if you want decentralized you should go with 
> altchains.

Bitcoin is not a centralized system, and neither is its development. I
don't even know how to respond to that. Bringing up altchains is a total
red herring.

This is *bitcoin*-development. Please don't make it have to become a
moderated mailing list.