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private-key WEF WIF online/offline transaction services, without a fee are
not in the interest of mainstream bitcoin users.(gaius germanicus)
Bitcoin has grown into a Christmas tree fancy dress in the last 9 years
where efficiency and simplicity should be mandatory and hardcoded.
on the other hand, a safe and secure tool would be a welcome step in the
right direction
lipsch hth
Op wo 1 aug. 2018 11:59 schreef Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
> You are right, that's what I have been saying for online services that as=
k
> for private keys, and even the seeds
>
> The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for example to
> get "free" coins, typically they try to use bitcoin-transactions, don't
> succeed and go put their seeds in an online service
>
> At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and the tool
> will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions, and if they wan=
t
> to put directly their keys, then...
>
> "Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don't get trapped by your
> wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig, segwit, bech32,
> etc"
>
> As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should some
> people support/finance the effort
>
> Le 01/08/2018 =C3=A0 07:45, Marcel Jamin a =C3=A9crit :
>
> IMHO you should almost never publish a service that asks users for privat=
e
> keys.
>
> A warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.
>
> "Move your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your server is
> involved.
>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I know this list is not to advertise personal projects but
>> https://peersm.com/wallet might be of some interest, this is the web
>> interface for https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions since
>> apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it
>>
>> As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online tool that
>> converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output something
>> understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the only one
>> that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only one that
>> decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that allows to
>> create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not implemented for
>> now but will be soon)
>>
>> Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some incentive to do
>> so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for now
>>
>> Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid bech32
>> addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32 confusion
>> seems to be the topic of the moment
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Aymeric
>>
>> --
>> Bitcoin transactions made simple:
>> https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
>> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
>> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
>> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
>> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
>> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist:
>> http://torrent-live.org
>> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
>> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
>> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
>> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>
> --
> Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transac=
tions
> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.o=
rg
> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>private-key WEF WIF online/offline=C2=A0<span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">transaction services, without a fee are not in =
the interest of mainstream bitcoin users.(gaius germanicus)</span></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Bitcoin has grown into a Christmas=
tree fancy dress in the last 9 years</font></div><div dir=3D"auto">where e=
fficiency and simplicity should be mandatory and hardcoded.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">on the other hand, a safe and secure =
tool would be a welcome step in the right direction</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">lipsch hth</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><fon=
t face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">Op wo 1 aug. 2018 11:59 schreef Aymeric Vitte via bitcoi=
n-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-=
dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>You are right, that's what I have been saying for online service=
s
that ask for private keys, and even the seeds<br>
</p>
<p>The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for
example to get "free" coins, typically they try to use
bitcoin-transactions, don't succeed and go put their seeds in an
online service</p>
<p>At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and
the tool will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions,
and if they want to put directly their keys, then...</p>
<p>"Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don'=
;t get trapped
by your wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig,
segwit, bech32, etc"<br>
</p>
<p>As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should
some people support/finance the effort<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-cite-prefix">Le 01/08/2018 =C3=
=A0 07:45, Marcel Jamin a
=C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">IMHO
you should almost never publish a service that asks users for
private keys.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">A
warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.</div=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospa=
ce;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">"Move
your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your serve=
r is
involved.</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via
bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati=
on.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat=
ion.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I know this
list is not to advertise personal projects but<br>
<a href=3D"https://peersm.com/wallet" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://peersm.com/wallet</a>
might be of some interest, this is the web<br>
interface for <a href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transact=
ions" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/Ay=
ms/bitcoin-transactions</a>
since<br>
apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it<br>
<br>
As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online
tool that<br>
converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output
something<br>
understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the
only one<br>
that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only
one that<br>
decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that
allows to<br>
create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not
implemented for<br>
now but will be soon)<br>
<br>
Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some
incentive to do<br>
so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for
now<br>
<br>
Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid
bech32<br>
addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32
confusion<br>
seems to be the topic of the moment<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Aymeric<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Bitcoin transactions made simple: <a href=3D"https://github.com/A=
yms/bitcoin-transactions" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions</a><br>
Zcash wallets made simple: <a href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/zca=
sh-wallets" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/Ayms/zcash-wallets</a><br>
Bitcoin wallets made simple: <a href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/b=
itcoin-wallets" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://git=
hub.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets</a><br>
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: <a href=3D"http://peersm.com/g=
etblocklist" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://peersm.=
com/getblocklist</a><br>
Check the 10 M passwords list: <a href=3D"http://peersm.com/findm=
yass" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://peersm.com/fin=
dmyass</a><br>
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://torrent-live.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
://torrent-live.org</a><br>
Peersm : <a href=3D"http://www.peersm.com" rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.peersm.com</a><br>
torrent-live: <a href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live" re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/Ayms/torre=
nt-live</a><br>
node-Tor : <a href=3D"https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.github.com/Ayms/no=
de-Tor</a><br>
GitHub : <a href=3D"https://www.github.com/Ayms" rel=3D"noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.github.com/Ayms</a><br>
<br>
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coin-dev" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.lin=
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</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<pre class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20
Bitcoin transactions made simple: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-=
link-freetext" href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions=
</a>
Zcash wallets made simple: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-fr=
eetext" href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets" target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets</a>
Bitcoin wallets made simple: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-=
freetext" href=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets</a>
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt=
-link-freetext" href=3D"http://peersm.com/getblocklist" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">http://peersm.com/getblocklist</a>
Check the 10 M passwords list: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-lin=
k-freetext" href=3D"http://peersm.com/findmyass" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">http://peersm.com/findmyass</a>
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: <a class=3D"m_828294784=
3943318674moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://torrent-live.org" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://torrent-live.org</a>
Peersm : <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ht=
tp://www.peersm.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://www.peersm=
.com</a>
torrent-live: <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-freetext" href=
=3D"https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live</a>
node-Tor : <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"=
https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor</a>
GitHub : <a class=3D"m_8282947843943318674moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ht=
tps://www.github.com/Ayms" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www=
.github.com/Ayms</a></pre>
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