Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94CD2CB6 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:31:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-oi0-f68.google.com (mail-oi0-f68.google.com [209.85.218.68]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AD2E174 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f68.google.com with SMTP id m11-v6so8755939oic.2 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=8LHP4l4HmBx1gubhVy2B21ROsElmLjC3J69BqZpRGX8=; b=fWJRyDrgzZUNLTwyJ2fvyxiY2WjXYhNH+BOC01OSz/Qu8oD2NF4atNHlf8ZJ52y3fT h8+h4BsXVCwKHx6McYtnyXTvXNJ08NsTqtm3eIRg9pgAIRrbMvQYaO3svgqxQN9ZTVkp rKRe2rMzeN46LEHWnZZL6WK4H4mfBAXMAKhqZkGqUp3aF5JnQ/cd+W3CWk/YNET6WSoV fJLfKqVasP+Ir7mRwnCZt+3pmvCIYWFbyzQC87m7M3S31uZOk/dOHauYsN+DMAkJv9Y6 i4d3O69M4cK1qy4+20iMoNH7iOQQsl9SllZWgim+Y7kqwx/4FXV/UFxchQl3tU6jSEKb 3fuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=8LHP4l4HmBx1gubhVy2B21ROsElmLjC3J69BqZpRGX8=; b=UOkazSr5bIDotaCJR8Vrh933x9EkTxARca/5lO/9q/vRKAYrl15VE2cC+b185vYKdR bP45uTv0RNGRIeEeh1wP7Z+Bzp5LbSkRsPII8T7dMI/a2O8prvHaJHLiEsU2KEx1xKgx HIHTH3q8mzZhWQ6agpRoufhX7j9cc6dR7105VNVSUsmCj05fIcG09mGYNKtXv4wPOQBH +AElMEKgf01UFyj20uw1KM68bogfryZ1+/2LWplMHt/OPGDJ3POCO1cGjh8ZgKk2ieCQ WxTlTf87lyblfJ4ZTcYJ12BU6ljKBH+YGCV0fABAGWgO1kcI+fD94N59IpB4LW3ajbLB 193Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGsl8HI+OVPAvOuzRINxIIkvhGe1umsfuCLfT0Cd8PWOcpeB8H/ c3SF5wugiLCuKMb2+CNKlmYnFRB53ytBOm5iExc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPx0GctNLFVkDllPux6NEsMa9J+sj2u0O9Sj6agyV3xkD4buogqAlQoY3fyeDNIF6dhPJW3UAzLAwwaAUY9t4tU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:1719:: with SMTP id j25-v6mr1248621oii.138.1533807109704; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:31:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: hth lipsch Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:38:09 +0200 Message-ID: To: Aymeric Vitte , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ed912e0572fd4bf8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:08:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-transactions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:31:51 -0000 --000000000000ed912e0572fd4bf8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable private-key WEF WIF online/offline transaction services, without a fee are not in the interest of mainstream bitcoin users.(gaius germanicus) Bitcoin has grown into a Christmas tree fancy dress in the last 9 years where efficiency and simplicity should be mandatory and hardcoded. on the other hand, a safe and secure tool would be a welcome step in the right direction lipsch hth Op wo 1 aug. 2018 11:59 schreef Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>: > You are right, that's what I have been saying for online services that as= k > for private keys, and even the seeds > > The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for example to > get "free" coins, typically they try to use bitcoin-transactions, don't > succeed and go put their seeds in an online service > > At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and the tool > will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions, and if they wan= t > to put directly their keys, then... > > "Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don't get trapped by your > wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig, segwit, bech32, > etc" > > As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should some > people support/finance the effort > > Le 01/08/2018 =C3=A0 07:45, Marcel Jamin a =C3=A9crit : > > IMHO you should almost never publish a service that asks users for privat= e > keys. > > A warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised. > > "Move your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your server is > involved. > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> I know this list is not to advertise personal projects but >> https://peersm.com/wallet might be of some interest, this is the web >> interface for https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions since >> apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it >> >> As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online tool that >> converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output something >> understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the only one >> that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only one that >> decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that allows to >> create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not implemented for >> now but will be soon) >> >> Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some incentive to do >> so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for now >> >> Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid bech32 >> addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32 confusion >> seems to be the topic of the moment >> >> Regards >> >> Aymeric >> >> -- >> Bitcoin transactions made simple: >> https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions >> Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets >> Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets >> Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist >> Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass >> Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: >> http://torrent-live.org >> Peersm : http://www.peersm.com >> torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live >> node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor >> GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > > -- > Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transac= tions > Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets > Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets > Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist > Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass > Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.o= rg > Peersm : http://www.peersm.com > torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live > node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor > GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --000000000000ed912e0572fd4bf8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
private-key WEF WIF online/offline=C2=A0transaction services, without a fee are not in = the interest of mainstream bitcoin users.(gaius germanicus)
Bitcoin has grown into a Christmas= tree fancy dress in the last 9 years
where e= fficiency and simplicity should be mandatory and hardcoded.

on the other hand, a safe and secure = tool would be a welcome step in the right direction
=
lipsch hth





Op wo 1 aug. 2018 11:59 schreef Aymeric Vitte via bitcoi= n-dev <bitcoin-= dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
=20 =20 =20

You are right, that's what I have been saying for online service= s that ask for private keys, and even the seeds

The problem is that people can't refrain to put their keys for example to get "free" coins, typically they try to use bitcoin-transactions, don't succeed and go put their seeds in an online service

At least it gives an alternative, private keys are optional and the tool will output the command to use with bitcoin-transactions, and if they want to put directly their keys, then...

"Move your coins by yourself" refers more to "don'= ;t get trapped by your wallet(s) or things that you don't master like multisig, segwit, bech32, etc"

As I said the idea would be to end up with an offline tool should some people support/finance the effort


Le 01/08/2018 =C3= =A0 07:45, Marcel Jamin a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
=20
IMHO you should almost never publish a service that asks users for private keys.

A warning isn't enough. Your server might get compromised.

"Move your coins by yourself" isn't even correct if your serve= r is involved.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 at 13:26, Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat= ion.org> wrote:
I know this list is not to advertise personal projects but
https://peersm.com/wallet might be of some interest, this is the web
interface for https://github.com/Ay= ms/bitcoin-transactions since
apparently quasi nobody succeeds to use it

As far as I know (and surprisingly) this is the only online tool that
converts bech32 addresses (Sipa's one does not output something
understandable by everybody, the tool is using his code), the only one
that converts from any address to any address, maybe the only one that
decodes simply redeem scripts and probably the only one that allows to
create transactions by its own (the advanced mode is not implemented for
now but will be soon)

Ideally it should be an offline tool if there is some incentive to do
so, so of course it is not advised to use his private keys for now

Maybe they are mistaken but some users are reporting invalid bech32
addresses from their Electrum wallet, after segwit, bech32 confusion
seems to be the topic of the moment

Regards

Aymeric

--
Bitcoin transactions made simple: h= ttps://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions
Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.= com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://git= hub.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.= com/getblocklist
Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/fin= dmyass
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http= ://torrent-live.org
Peersm : http://www.peersm.com
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torre= nt-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/no= de-Tor
GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms

_______________________________________________
bitcoin-dev mailing list
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.lin= uxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev

--=20
Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transactions=

Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets
Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist
Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass
Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org
Peersm : http://www.peersm=
.com
torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : =
https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
GitHub : https://www=
.github.com/Ayms
_______________________________________________
bitcoin-dev mailing list
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundati= on.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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