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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage
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On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
> It only works if the majority of hashpower is controlled by attackers, in
> which case Bitcoin is already doomed. So it doesn't matter at that point.
These parties wouldn't generally consider themselves attackers=E2=80=94 nor
would many users (presumably everyone who mines on ghash.io, for
example)=E2=80=94 rather they'd they may consider someone using hashpower
voting to reassign coins to be an attacker, and reassigning their
coins instead to be a morally justified and pragmatic response.
I think we're capable here of discussing the specifics without needing
to use generalizations which invite definitional arguments... I don't
think that bombastic language like doomed helps the dialog.
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