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Nelson,
Talking politics, Devs do day and night, however politics is also about
knocking on door and not sitting behind a keyboard writing a perl script to
spam the politicians with the same content. Politics is about maneuvering
to be in a position to get the elected official to do what you want because
if he don't, you will make sure it will not get elected next time.
I personally never could finish drilling into the code (which is very
elegantly written) because some New York idiot decided that Bitcoin was too
dangerous for society to handle. I had to stop playing with the code and
turn my attention elsewhere. *You can read the opinion of one of the idiot
here :
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/apple-google-when-phone-encryptio=
n-blocks-justice.html
<http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/apple-google-when-phone-encrypti=
on-blocks-justice.html>*
Theo
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Nelson Castillo <nelsoneci@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> And this is why I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.
>>
>
> If you think developers do not talk politics go read LKML... Politics are
> inevitable.
> I think the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that"
> belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Theo Chino
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (politics in NYS about
>> bitcoin.)
>> http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-yor=
k
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this year about whether
>>> he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and
>>> was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would
>>> unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political
>>> shenanigans.
>>>
>>> On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
>>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>> > Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being
>>> governed
>>> > by those who are dumber.
>>> > - Plato
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Alex,
>>> >
>>> > With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin
>>> is not
>>> > technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to
>>> technical
>>> > discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is
>>> resolved, even
>>> > technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s littl=
e chance
>>> of
>>> > actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space w=
here
>>> everything
>>> > depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev
>>> > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs
>>> would
>>> > sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just say i=
t
>>> from
>>> > myself.
>>> >
>>> > There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months
>>> regarding
>>> > a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer volume of
>>> email
>>> > and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technica=
l
>>> has
>>> > rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technic=
al
>>> > discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of us share the blam=
e
>>> for
>>> > letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope tha=
t
>>> an
>>> > appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return t=
o
>>> a
>>> > higher signal-to-noise ratio.
>>> > -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to
>>> > technical development before sending it.
>>> > -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list
>>> regarding the
>>> > same topic.
>>> > This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on
>>> the
>>> > philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may b=
e
>>> > worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every
>>> email
>>> > you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time a=
s
>>> much
>>> > as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really the
>>> majority of
>>> > them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Alex
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Nelson,<br><br></div><div>Talking politics, Devs=
do day and night, however politics is also about knocking on door and not =
sitting behind a keyboard writing a perl script to spam the politicians wit=
h the same content. Politics is about maneuvering to be in a position to ge=
t the elected official to do what you want because if he don't, you wil=
l make sure it will not get elected next time.<br></div><div><br></div>I pe=
rsonally never could finish drilling into the code (which is very elegantly=
written) because some New York idiot decided that Bitcoin was too dangerou=
s for society to handle. I had to stop playing with the code and turn my at=
tention elsewhere. <i>You can read the opinion of one of the idiot here : <=
a href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/apple-google-when-phone=
-encryption-blocks-justice.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/=
apple-google-when-phone-encryption-blocks-justice.html</a></i><br><br></div=
>Theo<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Nelson Castillo <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:nelsoneci@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nelsoneci@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Wed, Au=
g 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bit=
coin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>And this is why I love=
Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.<br></div></div></div></div><=
/div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>If you think developers do not=
talk politics go read LKML... Politics are inevitable.<br></div><div>I thi=
nk the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that&quo=
t; belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).<br></div><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div><div><div></div><br></div>Regards,<br></div>Theo Chino<br></div><a =
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384</a> (politics in NYS about =
bitcoin.)<br><font size=3D"1"><a href=3D"http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/0=
8/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york" target=3D"_blank">http://frenchmor=
ning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york</a></font><br></d=
iv><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this y=
ear about whether<br>
he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and<br>
was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would<br>
unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political<br>
shenanigans.<br>
<br>
On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev<br>
<div><div><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being go=
verned<br>
> by those who are dumber.<br>
> - Plato<br>
><br>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <<a href=3D"mailto:elomb=
rozo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Alex,<br>
><br>
> With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i=
s not<br>
> technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to tech=
nical<br>
> discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved=
, even<br>
> technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little=
chance of<br>
> actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh=
ere everything<br>
> depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.<br>
><br>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev<br>
> <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs wo=
uld<br>
> sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it.=C2=A0 So I'll ju=
st say it from<br>
> myself.<br>
><br>
> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months rega=
rding<br>
> a hard fork with respect to block size.=C2=A0 However the sheer volume=
of email<br>
> and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical=
has<br>
> rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica=
l<br>
> discussion related to Bitcoin development.=C2=A0 Many of us share the =
blame for<br>
> letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that=
an<br>
> appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to=
a<br>
> higher signal-to-noise ratio.<br>
> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to<=
br>
> technical development before sending it.<br>
> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin=
g the<br>
> same topic.<br>
> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t=
he<br>
> philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin.=C2=A0 Although such a debate m=
ay be<br>
> worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion.=C2=A0 E=
very email<br>
> you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as=
much<br>
> as you value yours.=C2=A0 If your intended audience isn't really t=
he majority of<br>
> them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Alex<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org=
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><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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