Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44665938 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:12:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from ns3094582.localdomain (outbound.chino.ws [91.121.200.135]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09785225 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f179.google.com (mail-io0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by ns3094582.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C654181982 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iodv127 with SMTP id v127so25826045iod.3 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.19.202 with SMTP id 71mr14175128iot.94.1440022373726; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: bitdev@theochino.com Received: by 10.36.156.6 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:12:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6DB69CF6-A97C-4E9F-90BE-50DD24EE6113@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: Theo Chino To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f9c700e03c2051db156e0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-dev list etiquette X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:12:57 -0000 --001a113f9c700e03c2051db156e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nelson, Talking politics, Devs do day and night, however politics is also about knocking on door and not sitting behind a keyboard writing a perl script to spam the politicians with the same content. Politics is about maneuvering to be in a position to get the elected official to do what you want because if he don't, you will make sure it will not get elected next time. I personally never could finish drilling into the code (which is very elegantly written) because some New York idiot decided that Bitcoin was too dangerous for society to handle. I had to stop playing with the code and turn my attention elsewhere. *You can read the opinion of one of the idiot here : http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/apple-google-when-phone-encryptio= n-blocks-justice.html * Theo On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> And this is why I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one. >> > > If you think developers do not talk politics go read LKML... Politics are > inevitable. > I think the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that" > belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list). > > >> >> Regards, >> Theo Chino >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (politics in NYS about >> bitcoin.) >> http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-yor= k >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev < >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >> >>> Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this year about whether >>> he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and >>> was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would >>> unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political >>> shenanigans. >>> >>> On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev >>> wrote: >>> > Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being >>> governed >>> > by those who are dumber. >>> > - Plato >>> > >>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Alex, >>> > >>> > With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin >>> is not >>> > technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to >>> technical >>> > discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is >>> resolved, even >>> > technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s littl= e chance >>> of >>> > actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space w= here >>> everything >>> > depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot. >>> > >>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs >>> would >>> > sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just say i= t >>> from >>> > myself. >>> > >>> > There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months >>> regarding >>> > a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer volume of >>> email >>> > and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technica= l >>> has >>> > rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technic= al >>> > discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of us share the blam= e >>> for >>> > letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope tha= t >>> an >>> > appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return t= o >>> a >>> > higher signal-to-noise ratio. >>> > -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to >>> > technical development before sending it. >>> > -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list >>> regarding the >>> > same topic. >>> > This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on >>> the >>> > philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may b= e >>> > worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every >>> email >>> > you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time a= s >>> much >>> > as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really the >>> majority of >>> > them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Alex >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > --001a113f9c700e03c2051db156e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nelson,

Talking politics, Devs= do day and night, however politics is also about knocking on door and not = sitting behind a keyboard writing a perl script to spam the politicians wit= h the same content. Politics is about maneuvering to be in a position to ge= t the elected official to do what you want because if he don't, you wil= l make sure it will not get elected next time.

I pe= rsonally never could finish drilling into the code (which is very elegantly= written) because some New York idiot decided that Bitcoin was too dangerou= s for society to handle. I had to stop playing with the code and turn my at= tention elsewhere. You can read the opinion of one of the idiot here : <= a href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/apple-google-when-phone= -encryption-blocks-justice.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/= apple-google-when-phone-encryption-blocks-justice.html

Theo

On= Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Nelson Castillo <nelsoneci@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
On Wed, Au= g 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <bit= coin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
And this is why I love= Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.
<= /div>

If you think developers do not= talk politics go read LKML... Politics are inevitable.
I thi= nk the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that&quo= t; belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).
=C2=A0

Regards,
Theo Chino
= https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (politics in NYS about = bitcoin.)
http://frenchmor= ning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york

On W= ed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev &= lt;bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this y= ear about whether
he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and
was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would
unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political
shenanigans.

On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being go= verned
> by those who are dumber.
> - Plato
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Alex,
>
> With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i= s not
> technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to tech= nical
> discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved= , even
> technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little= chance of
> actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh= ere everything
> depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.
>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs wo= uld
> sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it.=C2=A0 So I'll ju= st say it from
> myself.
>
> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months rega= rding
> a hard fork with respect to block size.=C2=A0 However the sheer volume= of email
> and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical= has
> rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica= l
> discussion related to Bitcoin development.=C2=A0 Many of us share the = blame for
> letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that= an
> appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to= a
> higher signal-to-noise ratio.
> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to<= br> > technical development before sending it.
> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin= g the
> same topic.
> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t= he
> philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin.=C2=A0 Although such a debate m= ay be
> worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion.=C2=A0 E= very email
> you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as= much
> as you value yours.=C2=A0 If your intended audience isn't really t= he majority of
> them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
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>
>
>
>
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