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On 11 Jul 2022, at 19:12, Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev =
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> There's a very well established day/night cycle with fees going to =
zero overnight and even longer gaps on weekends and holidays. If in the =
future Bitcoin is entirely dependent on fees for security (scheduled =
very strongly) and this pattern keeps up (overwhelmingly likely) then =
this is going to become a serious problem.
This may be true today when adoption is still low but will likely change =
if/when Bitcoin drives the world economy and is used 24/7 globally. =
There's a good chance our grandchildren will never see an empty mempool.
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