Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEC6C002D for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C4760B8B for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 04C4760B8B Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=P3zn5TjW X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id drmmnaGCirfr for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 1798760672 Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1798760672 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id d16so8594228wrv.10 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=ArQTLOZXwQ4M6K+D6QEwvPPHvrFjN3T8TH85XkcWSIc=; b=P3zn5TjWOEKfKLF/P1RDW8/ZPt2JO3PXFpWp1mvT75/T/gDZnLbvnESGmHDs2F8H1w aG8MDizV2GICDI/ViBGAzt6EonPBtHpZv4kYGkhjxHrgCqIVv62nDoeuYRCGLUycxHWN JBATLHDpY8U5joSo6tC7Psx+HjSor8GR0ULxtySY+/CyS+1R2JX2E70wzUahNRwshVV7 WdqAnzI02Y/PQcCUgsV8wvyk1jmzo3+DSv4k2h6JCgELxC2tpw2moTjav4XhgkTuWQom kZcHNXIqySCBXBqkRwKoVpzVI6LyG3Fl/5mXo4XSjb4SQ090MNoOCLCXjuZG4JQQU4RG 1WTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=ArQTLOZXwQ4M6K+D6QEwvPPHvrFjN3T8TH85XkcWSIc=; b=3bM39xq6nQyRixD40fSGC6LH0EtZv8Ynw1tH+FULxoMHyfHW8osuaEyjaHMNhYMLe9 +5PBb6bRQkkr5vmfUxPUA5urbRiQ+nQXuoawTf0GeiBzwsP3VnVdSdP259eJLRwf8RMX agWV9RQQTeelPhc6ACHTQayKh5TmFXA17APfpipLqaxEYW/xDubkkBkeUPuq218WYH8u RMHDT9x4ljQQJ+/4G3yZSgNBoslgNld5fr7XcYc8BQcBGOFaOnelC/dMuPo9vcvObjeM nGnB+DQSTu74+SC4sP2Tdu/19Cs612I+EmGBjBZ6tcaJ1lPkNrG+2ZkJYwqTAQIV1NDC f0zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora93ZE81NcfznUkkI6sLd5BAgfIwLuSHwTH9rPlqdaDbs4xOPCwJ 464JG5tYFAdt/ZB92rd/HY93w2kvANQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1tppUdqJxKpdchv7QeVQrNd7Kx5oU9l+dJMUlUWQ4XFE5QWRgM2P2hkp1bmpeGtt3+lnpUwrw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:fcca:0:b0:21d:68ff:2e5a with SMTP id f10-20020adffcca000000b0021d68ff2e5amr18865611wrs.453.1657574293194; Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2a01:11:8420:1e0:e11e:dbd4:91a:bed]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m4-20020a5d6244000000b0021d6e917442sm8032632wrv.72.2022.07.11.14.18.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Pox Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1F6043B5-D1CC-44E9-9178-31F9D039EE24"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.100.31\)) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 22:18:10 +0100 References: To: Bram Cohen , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <22D22964-9C06-44F8-8E28-23B979B882CE@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 23:07:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1F6043B5-D1CC-44E9-9178-31F9D039EE24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 11 Jul 2022, at 19:12, Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev = wrote: > There's a very well established day/night cycle with fees going to = zero overnight and even longer gaps on weekends and holidays. If in the = future Bitcoin is entirely dependent on fees for security (scheduled = very strongly) and this pattern keeps up (overwhelmingly likely) then = this is going to become a serious problem. This may be true today when adoption is still low but will likely change = if/when Bitcoin drives the world economy and is used 24/7 globally. = There's a good chance our grandchildren will never see an empty mempool. --Apple-Mail=_1F6043B5-D1CC-44E9-9178-31F9D039EE24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEC3EnSU5jPZH2wQtBnRQyPlw5C1YFAmLMk5IACgkQnRQyPlw5 C1azwBAAjJfhAcXZx6jr1U27mdPYtzDDnjpb3x0f+yGS/dN8hEepkcdHrpAIknAm U7hfjDPrVpz5cMNv3hyjKJlCiq/xFxKHjEciwnC52cmZ3Jke2pvaQab7vU2xGUPw TbLLJ91h9Uxb7Ns/R0cMcw9pSTIYU5nv/uy3tmPp5p/hAPIg1lH8zTqnftO4pefW t+wq2Y0Y9eQ3kxMJPZ6aEuTPj9QiKRuWjFpHRQNgY5nHSbR3RXZWe3eZlsm4PYNV U8n92Hszbfc10tdQ5M3VzfKgHEWXvkAw0Ei+t02n6r8yeJQz9fw0g95LoIIy1B78 yB8mL95TX3/lsm/37BKQf/570BL1PFdmhHSyDrCn8Gd77uSgGHVaQqdVAiq8PRXB 7gAsK8aBzRP66cVwQBw406P05Bx7aHYXLmNqbOfp2otR3RP71P+0J/6SBrXi7fO5 TLN5wrkCR3iNrMk/9Kmv5c8V48gQFWjRbMbiZ1kInlnFEigobseq1ncBGBMhCzq/ dlJTck8HTRpjCzLjwuH8ofwo/LcIjmBtNub8a7T6HtqzDnMNUVrabEl3qej41MPl 0BJKbiDgEBNWwk37jkHB0m5Bex1PljMLCNa1QfB6cEbEywjVC8i8YMgHbrIBA+eW LGumv3Dfx2b5fB42sUDDKGJMoiGIy3aC5jL1f2oBHqCMrGQY/gc= =IqXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_1F6043B5-D1CC-44E9-9178-31F9D039EE24--