From: Hubert Mania (humania@t-online.de)
Date: Wed Dec 04 2002 - 10:40:12 MST
Let me express one last statement before I leave this thread:
I don't know any further names and terms to paraphrase the fascistic
thinking of the dialog between Lee Corbin and Rafal Smigrodzki, which is
absolute Zero, the lowest point I've experienced on the extropy list since
1996. Sounds like two SS men are joking around. I understand, there is NO
irony involved. If there was, I would probably laugh along and shake my head
in an ironic mood about good ole capitalist profit thinking, but they MEAN
it and I feel absolutely helpless.
Don't tell me anything about freedom of thought. This is inhumane, insane,
sadistic. I sincerely hope neither one of them will ever have enough power,
money and wisdom to get to any initial state of a transhuman being. This
level of degradation and neglect - I mean the German "Verwahrlosung" - is so
fucking dangerous because it is inflaming persons who get involved in it. I
already realize how it starts eating me up and inducing me to write
statements I would rather not do in a normal situation. Once again I realize
the truth of the popular version of the famous "abyss" quote by Friedrich
Nietzsche:
"He who fights the dragon for too long, becomes a dragon himself"
So before it's too late, I quit, but not without having puked the hugest
load my guts are able to throw up.
Hubert Mania
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafal Smigrodzki" <rms2g@virginia.edu>
To: <extropians@extropy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: never a day passes (death penalty)
> Lee Corbin wrote:
> >
> > I think that capital punishment---in those societies that
> > choose to exercise it---has profit potential. The state
> > might raffle off tickets for who gets to pull the switch
> > on an extremely notorious murderer or rapist. Or merely
> > let it go to the highest bidder, allowing corporate
> > sponsors and group contributions for one particular
> > candidate. Executions really should turn a profit.
> >
> > This would be greatly facilitated by a television documentary
> > to hype (though staying within the bounds of the truth, of
> > course) the actual acts of the perpetrator. People who get
> > really angry---and in my opinion rightfully so---at some
> > hideous act committed by a criminal, will be willing to
> > spend more.
>
> ### Excellent suggestions! I would add the sales of pieces of the
hangman's
> noose, and other paraphernalia, as well as the auctioning of the
murderer's
> body, fresh off the gallows, to the waiting transplant surgeons. Perhaps
> this would make legal killing a financially self-sustaining venture, as
> opposed to being merely a pricey way of achieving catharsis. Kudos to Lee
> here.
>
>
> --------
> >> ### Say, I have video footage from the cameras I have in my house.
> >> The murderer was bitten by my dog, there is his DNA splashed around
> >> the living room, the neighbor's cameras filmed him and his car
> >> arriving at my house and then leaving. All other evidence checks out.
> >
> > Still, there is a finite non-zero probability that you
> > have the wrong man.
>
> ### Actually, we can extend this line of reasoning further - maybe if a
> murderer is executed, he is not really dead - there is a finite non-zero
> probability that he is being taken to the transtemporal re-education camp
> run by advanced beings from the future, and we are actually doing him a
> favor by hastening his meeting with the sublime. Imagine how cheated you
> might feel, being a German serial murderer, who spent 50 years of his life
> in a miserable prison, while his American buddies were already frolicking
> with ethereal superintelligence.
>
> Rafal
>
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