From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Sep 04 2002 - 17:09:46 MDT
--- Harvey Newstrom <mail@HarveyNewstrom.com> wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 12:44 pm, Charles Hixson wrote:
> > A) I am not saying that the Monarch butterfly isn't in any danger.
> I'm saying that it isn't the only thing in danger. And that of those
> in danger, it was selected because it was photogenic.
> > B) Political plot? Sort of. PR campaign would be a better
> description.
> > C) The scientific data that I've seen was both 1) equivocal and 2)
> > focused entirely on the Monarch butterfly, ignoring the other
> insects, e.g. honey bees, wasps, earthworms, etc. So we have no idea
> whether they are endangered or not.
> > D) You;re right. You don't know what a conspiracy theory is. May
> I suggest that you read "Illuminatus!" by Robert Anton Wilson for a
> > humorous and fictional description of what a conspiracy is. He
> tries to be sufficiently unreasonable so that you will recognize his
> > conspiracies as fictional creations.
>
> Wow. This seems so different than what your original post seemed to
> imply. You no longer seem to be saying that they deliberately
> distorted the scientific facts to meet their agenda.
No, because that wasn't the question. They did, in fact, distort the
facts, because there weren't any scientific ones at hand, so they
invented them and promulgated a big scare story on the assumption that
their invented 'facts' were true. Now that scientific studies have been
released, and bt corn has become widespread, "da-daaaaa"...... Monarch
butterflies are not, in fact, dying all over the place due to the bt
gene.
In fact, while the bug huggers were railing against bt corn, the real
forces of anti-environmentalism started logging in the mountaintops
where the monarchs mate in Mexico.... and the Monarchs are now
threatened by development far more severely than the bt corn
threatened, yet we are not seeing the bug huggers going ape nearly as
much, primarily because they know that the Mexican government and
people doesn't give nearly as much of a damn as the US people do.
It's the same reason why the environmentalism movement is nearly
non-existent in those countries who have the real worst environmental
records.
Deliberately distorting science for political agenda happens all of the
time, especially on the left, and especially in the luddite movement.
To claim otherwise is a sign of a hidden agenda and, dare we say, a
conspiracy... ;)
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