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Hi Devrandom,
> Agreed, anything that requires a phone number makes it difficult to be
> pseudonymous.
>
> I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive
> information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations.
Yeah sounds like people are opting for either Matrix or IRC and good to let
cast open.
If there are more things that the process could adopt to encourage or stay
open to pseudonymous participation that's interesting to bookmark.
Best,
Antoine
Le jeu. 15 sept. 2022 =C3=A0 04:37, Devrandom via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a =C3=A9crit :
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 6:03 PM Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 2:47 AM Buck O Perley via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> First just wanted to thank you
>> for taking the initiative to
>> > put this together. I think that as the community and
>> > ecosystem continue to grow, it's going to be an important
>> > part of the process to have groups like this develop. Hopefully
>> > they allow us to resist the "Tyranny of Structurelessness" without
>> > resorting to formalized governance processes and systems.
>>
>> Huh, lots of reading material behind that phrase. I'd heard it
>> before, but hadn't looked it up.
>>
>> > > Defining a communication channel is still an open question: IRC,
>> Slack,
>> > Discord, Discourse, ...
>> >
>> > I would vote against Slack. IRC is probably the best but maybe too
>> > high a barrier to entry? Publishing logs at least would counter
>> > concerns of it being exclusive. Maybe discord as an alternative.
>>
>> I found Discord immediately wanted a phone number from me. I think
>> IRC remains the lowest bar for participants to contribute.
>>
>>
> Agreed, anything that requires a phone number makes it difficult to be
> pseudonymous.
>
> I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive
> information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations.
>
> The Matrix room could optionally bridge to IRC if there is a significant
> demand for that.
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Devrandom,<br><br>> Agreed, anything that requires a=
phone number makes it difficult to be<br>> pseudonymous.<br>> <br>&g=
t; I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive<br=
>> information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations.<br><br>Yea=
h sounds like people are opting for either Matrix or IRC and good to let ca=
st open.<br><br>If there are more things that the process could adopt to en=
courage or stay open to pseudonymous participation that's interesting t=
o bookmark.<br><br>Best,<br>Antoine<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=A0jeu. 15 sept. 2022 =C3=A0=C2=
=A004:37, Devrandom via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists=
.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> a =C3=
=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 6:03 PM Ryan Grant=
via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 2:47 AM Buck O Perley via bitcoin-dev<br=
>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> First just wanted to than=
k you<br>
for taking the initiative to<br>
> put this together. I think that as the community and<br>
> ecosystem continue to grow, it's going to be an important<br>
> part of the process to have groups like this develop. Hopefully<br>
> they allow us to resist the "Tyranny of Structurelessness" w=
ithout<br>
> resorting to formalized governance processes and systems.<br>
<br>
Huh, lots of reading material behind that phrase.=C2=A0 I'd heard it<br=
>
before, but hadn't looked it up.<br>
<br>
> > Defining a communication channel is still an open question: IRC, =
Slack,<br>
> Discord, Discourse, ...<br>
><br>
> I would vote against Slack. IRC is probably the best but maybe too<br>
> high a barrier to entry? Publishing logs at least would counter<br>
> concerns of it being exclusive. Maybe discord as an alternative.<br>
<br>
I found Discord immediately wanted a phone number from me.=C2=A0 I think<br=
>
IRC remains the lowest bar for participants to contribute.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed, anything that requires a phone=
number makes it difficult to be pseudonymous.<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive info=
rmation and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations. <br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>The Matrix room could optionally bridge to IRC if there is a sign=
ificant demand for that. <br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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