Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CCDC002D for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA51843D6 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:08:19 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org DBA51843D6 Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=JQPQGfoL X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2TRWhfizkivG for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:08:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org C2D05843C6 Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2D05843C6 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id g8so15621211iob.0 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=IItUBExZbAGVMVitYzKR2CgUzTgjHu5YmEco2hYUlSQ=; b=JQPQGfoLheXcopQFn/pi1ku01D0mQkfbKQ+vzecu3yNGI6IXuim6t7iX+9P+EEv5qQ hjhMcGQFMxF/lHGO+WgvIbBVCB6azxuCdvwP1VKcHHD4KMvD09Z0N4eYCzOwbfmVWA4s NA2ZTy+z9M48vp0hqOpqjXCSVEqqgfelhdqGkYoymH9/Lqag2FaQtt9rtWtmX7rvy/Vu oiLUM4BcC7qp+iF3I/59bvs48peqx0IBMQT2ty3dqlNFBMeLtBXJaUKKsDczQ3AJfaCs b6QsjZ3TX+2CG1x06tSxixVlphTjlnKN0TI+9AVFlibawZQjQhe2Vj+wesnvHw0xId9U oebg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=IItUBExZbAGVMVitYzKR2CgUzTgjHu5YmEco2hYUlSQ=; b=2MTNNDgLmsrhB5zhrmXkjX9FegI/pvXoRZHRGE1D1gIiocrLh8PE57nANhHxKQove5 +Q+e1FsZoFrxa3G4qYmg36Lkr/z2lR2cbPxHPdbyILUPsTdekNhHZIyn8nHK+CgdrMNB PJBTiuQUrTd0mbUv5AGQemDD0iNOeMB8NDHAtDPhR4PR2pf5wE0i33qfshpMTohh3sfA Ss0BxP1AgghhoN0nnnocJXnnbvQsz98p2vGH8RrMsVf1rmsCOYBzJFufDQ0fdH94f5rU Hv4qQ/1uvpo+/smlRB43yLvnsVOlCz1IKK3IyFl67rrrTWcwtNqgjCdH5CzCyb6WWCtw Uvbw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo3P1I/HBAUUeJRVqpPDqPfwhygO1w0dfh+e0Mab5XVsvl/SjuA8 WIkyxAjFLErHx9ZePJf0fepYC2TGBFk88sH67et8HOdcZoo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7PGtVbCngtTIjeZ1Dm9v+ROODu+NgHufVMxG0SkKNOKES86euORuEyv/3XnJ3F6Eq1SqbGiVd9/jciEw8sH8w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:14d2:b0:35a:7023:6322 with SMTP id l18-20020a05663814d200b0035a70236322mr3102910jak.179.1663355297789; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Antoine Riard Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: To: Devrandom , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a8f9ff05e8d01595" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:18:15 +0000 Cc: Buck O Perley Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] On a new community process to specify covenants X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:08:20 -0000 --000000000000a8f9ff05e8d01595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Devrandom, > Agreed, anything that requires a phone number makes it difficult to be > pseudonymous. > > I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive > information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations. Yeah sounds like people are opting for either Matrix or IRC and good to let cast open. If there are more things that the process could adopt to encourage or stay open to pseudonymous participation that's interesting to bookmark. Best, Antoine Le jeu. 15 sept. 2022 =C3=A0 04:37, Devrandom via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a =C3=A9crit : > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 6:03 PM Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 2:47 AM Buck O Perley via bitcoin-dev >> First just wanted to thank you >> for taking the initiative to >> > put this together. I think that as the community and >> > ecosystem continue to grow, it's going to be an important >> > part of the process to have groups like this develop. Hopefully >> > they allow us to resist the "Tyranny of Structurelessness" without >> > resorting to formalized governance processes and systems. >> >> Huh, lots of reading material behind that phrase. I'd heard it >> before, but hadn't looked it up. >> >> > > Defining a communication channel is still an open question: IRC, >> Slack, >> > Discord, Discourse, ... >> > >> > I would vote against Slack. IRC is probably the best but maybe too >> > high a barrier to entry? Publishing logs at least would counter >> > concerns of it being exclusive. Maybe discord as an alternative. >> >> I found Discord immediately wanted a phone number from me. I think >> IRC remains the lowest bar for participants to contribute. >> >> > Agreed, anything that requires a phone number makes it difficult to be > pseudonymous. > > I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive > information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations. > > The Matrix room could optionally bridge to IRC if there is a significant > demand for that. > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --000000000000a8f9ff05e8d01595 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Devrandom,

> Agreed, anything that requires a= phone number makes it difficult to be
> pseudonymous.
>
&g= t; I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive> information and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations.

Yea= h sounds like people are opting for either Matrix or IRC and good to let ca= st open.

If there are more things that the process could adopt to en= courage or stay open to pseudonymous participation that's interesting t= o bookmark.

Best,
Antoine

Le=C2=A0jeu. 15 sept. 2022 =C3=A0=C2= =A004:37, Devrandom via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 6:03 PM Ryan Grant= via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 2:47 AM Buck O Perley via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> First just wanted to than= k you
for taking the initiative to
> put this together. I think that as the community and
> ecosystem continue to grow, it's going to be an important
> part of the process to have groups like this develop. Hopefully
> they allow us to resist the "Tyranny of Structurelessness" w= ithout
> resorting to formalized governance processes and systems.

Huh, lots of reading material behind that phrase.=C2=A0 I'd heard it before, but hadn't looked it up.

> > Defining a communication channel is still an open question: IRC, = Slack,
> Discord, Discourse, ...
>
> I would vote against Slack. IRC is probably the best but maybe too
> high a barrier to entry? Publishing logs at least would counter
> concerns of it being exclusive. Maybe discord as an alternative.

I found Discord immediately wanted a phone number from me.=C2=A0 I think IRC remains the lowest bar for participants to contribute.


Agreed, anything that requires a phone= number makes it difficult to be pseudonymous.

I recommend Matrix, since it doesn't require any privacy invasive info= rmation and has e2ee by default for 1-1 conversations.

<= /div>
The Matrix room could optionally bridge to IRC if there is a sign= ificant demand for that.

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