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From: Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:29:54 +0300
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For clarity purposes.

   1. Our research is based on monitoring main net transactions and network
   activity - as too is our risk engine. We do not engage in specific hashi=
ng
   pool assessments or research.
   2. It is not easily possible or comfortable to engage with our clients
   to offer up their client names and applications - the competition is fie=
rce
   and like other industries it is not an acceptable approach to ask.
   3. The information offered by Coinpaid and posted on this list, provides
   root addresses which using tools like Chainanlysis, or
   similar service providers can confirm these addresses are associated wit=
h
   Coinspaid. This can validate a significant amount of our traffic.
   4. Based on the information provided it will be very possible to reach
   out to Max at Coinpaid - and will be able to confirm GAP600 use with
   Coinspaid. This is in addition to me posting an email from Max back in D=
ec
   2022 to this list confirming all of this information.
   5.  It is more than likely that Changelly has not implemented our
   service across all irts offerings, a large section of their business is
   servicing partners.

________________________________

Daniel Lipshitz
GAP600| www.gap600.com
Phone: +44 113 4900 117
Skype: daniellipshitz123
Twitter: @daniellipshitz


On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 1:38=E2=80=AFPM Daniel Lipshitz <daniel@gap600.com> =
wrote:

> Your assessment of my dishonesty is based on your assumption of how I
> should be running GAP600, your assumptions are baseless and lack commerci=
al
> experience and likewise your conclusions are false.
>
> I have provided already back in December clear access to clarify opposite
> our clients corroborated with easily verifiable trxs activity of a major
> client of ours. This is more than enough to corroborate our statistics.
>
> As far as validating real RBF adoption I have offered a clear option here
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28132#issuecomment-1661960440
> something like this or similar would offer a clear assessment of adoption=
.
> Since you are not able to provide documents or public emails of hashing
> pools confirming there adoption of Full RBF.
> ________________________________
>
> Daniel Lipshitz
> GAP600| www.gap600.com
> Phone: +44 113 4900 117
> Skype: daniellipshitz123
> Twitter: @daniellipshitz
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFAM Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wr=
ote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 01:27:24AM +0300, Daniel Lipshitz wrote:
>> > Your research is not thorough and reaches an incorrect conclusion.
>> >
>> > As stated many times - we service payment processors and some merchant=
s
>> > directly  - Coinspaid services multiple merchants and process a
>> > significant amount of BTC they are a well known and active in the spac=
e
>> -
>> > as I provided back in December 2022 a email from Max the CEO of
>> Coinspaid
>> > confirming their use of 0-conf as well as providing there cluster
>> addresses
>> > to validate there deposit flows see here again -
>> >
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-December/02=
1239.html
>> > - if this is not sufficient then please email support@coinspaid.com
>> and ask
>> > to be connected to Max or someone from the team who can confirm
>> Conspaid is
>> > clients of GAP600. Max also at the time was open to do a call, I can
>> check
>> > again now and see if this is still the case and connect you.
>> >
>> > That on its own is enough of a sample to validate our statistics.
>>
>> Why don't you just give me an example of some merchants using Coinspaid,
>> and
>> another example using Coinpayments, who rely on unconfirmed transactions=
?
>> If
>> those merchants actually exist it should be very easy to give me some
>> names of
>> them.
>>
>> Without actual concrete examples for everyone to see for themselves, why
>> should
>> we believe you?
>>
>> > I have also spoken to Changelly earlier today and they offered to emai=
l
>> pro
>> > @ changelly.com and they will be able to confirm GAP600 as a service
>>
>> Emailed; waiting on a reply.
>>
>> > provider. Also please send me the 1 trx hash you tested and I can see
>> if it
>> > was queried to our system and if so offer some info as to why it wasnt
>> > approved. Also if you can elaborate how you integrated with Changelly =
-
>> I
>> > can check with them if that area is not integrated with GAP600.
>>
>> Why don't you just tell me exactly what service Changelly offers that
>> relies on
>> unconfirmed transactions, and what characteristics would meet GAP600's
>> risk
>> criteria? I and others on this mailing list could easily do test
>> transactions
>> if you told us what we can actually test. If your service actually works=
,
>> then
>> you can safely provide that information.
>>
>> I'm not going to give you any exact tx hashes of transactions I've alrea=
dy
>> done, as I don't want to cause any problems for the owners of the
>> accounts I
>> borrowed for testing. Given your lack of honesty so far I have every
>> reason to
>> believe they might be retalliated against in some way.
>>
>> > As the architect of such a major change to the status of 0-conf
>> > transactions I would think you would welcome the opportunity to speak =
to
>> > business and users who actual activities will be impacted by full RBF
>> > becoming dominant.
>>
>> Funny how you say this, without actually giving any concrete examples of
>> businesses that will be affected. Who exactly are these businesses?
>> Payment
>> processors obviously don't count.
>>
>> > Are you able to provide the same i.e emails and contacts of people at
>> > the mining pools who can confirm they have adopted FULL RBF ?
>>
>> I've already had multiple mining pools complain to me that they and thei=
r
>> employees have been harassed over full-rbf, so obviously I'm not going t=
o
>> provide you with any private contact information I have. There's no need
>> to
>> expose them to further harassment.
>>
>> If you actually offered an unconfirmed transaction guarantee service,
>> with real
>> customers getting an actual benefit, you'd be doing test transactions
>> frequently and would already have a very good idea of what pools do
>> full-rbf.
>> Why don't you already have this data?
>>
>> --
>> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">For clarity purposes.<div><ol><li>Our research is based on=
 monitoring main net transactions=C2=A0and network activity=C2=A0- as too i=
s our risk=C2=A0engine. We do not engage in specific hashing pool assessmen=
ts=C2=A0or research.</li><li>It is not easily possible or comfortable to en=
gage with our clients to offer up their client names and applications - the=
 competition is fierce and like other industries it is not an acceptable ap=
proach to ask.</li><li>The information offered by Coinpaid and posted on th=
is list, provides root addresses which using tools like Chainanlysis, or si=
milar=C2=A0service=C2=A0providers can confirm these addresses are associate=
d with Coinspaid. This can validate a significant=C2=A0amount of our traffi=
c.</li><li>Based on the information provided it will be very possible to re=
ach out to Max at Coinpaid - and will be able to confirm GAP600 use with Co=
inspaid. This is in addition to me posting an email from Max back in Dec 20=
22 to this list confirming all of this information.</li><li>=C2=A0It is mor=
e than likely that Changelly has not implemented our service across all irt=
s offerings, a large section of their business is servicing partners.</li><=
/ol>________________________________<br><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:=
12.8px"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Daniel Lipshitz</font></div><div =
style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-seri=
f">GAP600|=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.gap600.com/" target=3D"_blank">www.ga=
p600.com</a></font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><=
font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Phone:=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">+44 113 4900 117</span></div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif=
">Skype: daniellipshitz123</font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Twitter: @daniellipshitz</fo=
nt></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 1:38=E2=
=80=AFPM Daniel Lipshitz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel@gap600.com">daniel@ga=
p600.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Your=C2=A0assessment=C2=A0of my dishonesty is base=
d on your assumption of how I should be running GAP600, your assumptions ar=
e baseless and lack commercial experience and likewise your conclusions are=
 false.<div><br></div><div>I have provided already back in December clear a=
ccess to clarify opposite our clients corroborated with easily verifiable=
=C2=A0trxs activity of a major client=C2=A0of ours. This is more than enoug=
h to corroborate=C2=A0our statistics.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>As far=
 as validating real RBF adoption I have offered a clear option here=C2=A0<a=
 href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28132#issuecomment-1661960=
440" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28132#issuec=
omment-1661960440</a> something like this or similar would offer a clear as=
sessment=C2=A0of adoption. Since you are not able to provide documents=C2=
=A0or public emails of hashing pools confirming there adoption of Full RBF.=
<br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px">____________=
____________________</div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Daniel Lipshitz<=
/font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"=
tahoma, sans-serif">GAP600|=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.gap600.com/" target=
=3D"_blank">www.gap600.com</a></font></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Phone:=C2=A0</font><span=
 style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">+44 113 4900 117<=
/span></div><div style=3D"font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"=
tahoma, sans-serif">Skype: daniellipshitz123</font></div><div style=3D"font=
-size:12.8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Twitter: @=
daniellipshitz</font></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, =
Aug 2, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFAM Peter Todd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pete@petert=
odd.org" target=3D"_blank">pete@petertodd.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 01:27:=
24AM +0300, Daniel Lipshitz wrote:<br>
&gt; Your research is not thorough and reaches an incorrect conclusion.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As stated many times - we service payment processors and some merchant=
s<br>
&gt; directly=C2=A0 - Coinspaid services multiple merchants and process a<b=
r>
&gt; significant amount of BTC they are a well known and active in the spac=
e -<br>
&gt; as I provided back in December 2022 a email from Max the CEO of Coinsp=
aid<br>
&gt; confirming their use of 0-conf as well as providing there cluster addr=
esses<br>
&gt; to validate there deposit flows see here again -<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/202=
2-December/021239.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.=
linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-December/021239.html</a><br>
&gt; - if this is not sufficient then please email <a href=3D"mailto:suppor=
t@coinspaid.com" target=3D"_blank">support@coinspaid.com</a> and ask<br>
&gt; to be connected to Max or someone from the team who can confirm Conspa=
id is<br>
&gt; clients of GAP600. Max also at the time was open to do a call, I can c=
heck<br>
&gt; again now and see if this is still the case and connect you.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That on its own is enough of a sample to validate our statistics.<br>
<br>
Why don&#39;t you just give me an example of some merchants using Coinspaid=
, and<br>
another example using Coinpayments, who rely on unconfirmed transactions? I=
f<br>
those merchants actually exist it should be very easy to give me some names=
 of<br>
them.<br>
<br>
Without actual concrete examples for everyone to see for themselves, why sh=
ould<br>
we believe you?<br>
<br>
&gt; I have also spoken to Changelly earlier today and they offered to emai=
l pro<br>
&gt; @ <a href=3D"http://changelly.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
">changelly.com</a> and they will be able to confirm GAP600 as a service<br=
>
<br>
Emailed; waiting on a reply.<br>
<br>
&gt; provider. Also please send me the 1 trx hash you tested and I can see =
if it<br>
&gt; was queried to our system and if so offer some info as to why it wasnt=
<br>
&gt; approved. Also if you can elaborate how you integrated with Changelly =
- I<br>
&gt; can check with them if that area is not integrated with GAP600.<br>
<br>
Why don&#39;t you just tell me exactly what service Changelly offers that r=
elies on<br>
unconfirmed transactions, and what characteristics would meet GAP600&#39;s =
risk<br>
criteria? I and others on this mailing list could easily do test transactio=
ns<br>
if you told us what we can actually test. If your service actually works, t=
hen<br>
you can safely provide that information.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m not going to give you any exact tx hashes of transactions I&#39;ve =
already<br>
done, as I don&#39;t want to cause any problems for the owners of the accou=
nts I<br>
borrowed for testing. Given your lack of honesty so far I have every reason=
 to<br>
believe they might be retalliated against in some way.<br>
<br>
&gt; As the architect of such a major change to the status of 0-conf<br>
&gt; transactions I would think you would welcome the opportunity to speak =
to<br>
&gt; business and users who actual activities will be impacted by full RBF<=
br>
&gt; becoming dominant.<br>
<br>
Funny how you say this, without actually giving any concrete examples of<br=
>
businesses that will be affected. Who exactly are these businesses? Payment=
<br>
processors obviously don&#39;t count.<br>
<br>
&gt; Are you able to provide the same i.e emails and contacts of people at<=
br>
&gt; the mining pools who can confirm they have adopted FULL RBF ?<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve already had multiple mining pools complain to me that they and the=
ir<br>
employees have been harassed over full-rbf, so obviously I&#39;m not going =
to<br>
provide you with any private contact information I have. There&#39;s no nee=
d to<br>
expose them to further harassment.<br>
<br>
If you actually offered an unconfirmed transaction guarantee service, with =
real<br>
customers getting an actual benefit, you&#39;d be doing test transactions<b=
r>
frequently and would already have a very good idea of what pools do full-rb=
f.<br>
Why don&#39;t you already have this data?<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<a href=3D"https://petertodd.org" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://petertodd.org</a> &#39;peter&#39;[:-1]@<a href=3D"http://petertodd.org"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">petertodd.org</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div>

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