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Regardless of the XT debate, centralization on reddit and bitcointalk has b=
ecome a critical issue for the bitcoin community. A few anonymous people co=
ntrol both these forums, giving them unprecedented power to manipulate disc=
ussion, alter reputation, ban users, and even to facilitate scammers in the=
 name of getting profits. Protecting the de-centralized spirit of the Bitco=
in community is no longer on their list of priorities, in fact those in cha=
rge have publicly stated centralization is necessary. It doesn't matter how=
 many thousands of posts you contributed or if you've traded thousands of B=
itcoins, if one of the few who control reddit and bitcointalk decide to get=
 rid of you there's nothing you can do. Bitcointalk has done more damage to=
 my reputation than any other website I've ever used, and I only used it fo=
r a year. The damage wasn't even from the scammers, but rather those in cha=
rge of the community posting false allegations with zero evidence, and enfo=
rcing a guilty until proven innocent policy. Even when such allegations are=
 definitively proven incorrect and allegations cease the posts stay on the =
internet forever, another site crawls all the bitcoin discussion and saves =
it. It's not an isolated incident either, happened several times to me befo=
re I realized how detrimental it was to even post there, and I've seen coun=
tless other members receive the same treatment.=20

There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin com=
munity is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin and also the growth o=
f the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and =
newbies that are just getting started. It has put us in a very dangerous po=
sition, the community has been weakened, and there is the possibility that =
the forums could be handed over to the government at any time due to their =
centralized nature. =20

I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly de-centralized as I =
nor anyone else will be able to control it. I am already writing the code a=
nd I'm confident it won't be long until a basic release is out. I am certai=
n this will be very positive for the Bitcoin community, and the rest of the=
 world since centralization is getting stronger everyday. The world needs t=
his to level the playing field, it will be impossible for anything to be de=
leted on this forum even if the NSA attacks it. No one will be banned ever.=
 The only rule is there are no rules. =20

If anyone is interested in this feel free to email me back. I am doing this=
 for zero profit and without any pay, just out of passion, so I don't mind =
getting as much people as possible involved.=20

=20

=20

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From: sisadm101--- via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
To: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2015 2:10 pm
Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship


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People are wondering why there is such a division in the bitcoin community =
at this time. Bitcoin as a whole is only so big. The bitcoin discussion com=
munities are spread out, but there are only a few popular ones. BitcoinTalk=
 and Reddit seem to be the largest, most popular where bitcoin discussion h=
appens consistently and from almost everyone in the community (devs, users,=
 btc companies, merchants, and so on). I think we all know where this is go=
ing. If not, here you go. BitcoinTalk and Reddit are managed by a single pe=
rson: Theymos. It's become quite clear over the past several days/weeks, th=
at Theymos is highly censoring bitcoin discussion, mainly on Reddit, but al=
so BitcoinTalk. If this single person is able to censor content, and hush t=
he debate, he (and whatever his agenda is), wins. How can we as a community=
 discuss these proposed changes, if the discussion is from a one sided poin=
t of view? There doesn't seem to be a solution at this time, but I find it =
dissapointing that many (in this very email list) aren't discussing this im=
portant part of the issue. Maybe it's becuase Theymos is anti-bigger blocks=
, which seems to coincide with the Blockstream point of view, which many of=
 the core devs belong to.
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ze=3D"2">T debate, centralization on reddit and bitcointalk has become a cr=
itical issue for the bitcoin community. A few anonymous people control both=
 these forums, giving them unprecedented power to manipulate discussion, al=
ter reputation, ban users, and even to facilitate scammers in the name of g=
etting profits. Protecting the de-centralized spirit of the Bitcoin communi=
ty is no longer on their list of priorities, in fact those in charge have p=
ublicly stated centralization is necessary. It doesn't matter how many thou=
sands of posts you contributed or if you've traded thousands of Bitcoins, i=
f one of the few who control reddit and bitcointalk decide to get rid of yo=
u there's nothing you can do. Bitcointalk has done more damage to my reputa=
tion than any other website I've ever used, and I only used it for a year. =
The damage wasn't even from the scammers, but rather those in charge of the=
 community posting false allegations with zero evidence, and enforcing a gu=
ilty until proven innocent policy. Even when such allegations are definitiv=
ely proven incorrect and allegations cease the posts stay on the internet f=
orever, another site crawls all the bitcoin discussion and saves it. It's n=
ot an isolated incident either, happened several times to me before I reali=
zed how detrimental it was to even post there, and I've seen countless othe=
r members receive the same treatment. <br>
<br>
There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin com=
munity is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin and also the growth o=
f the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and =
newbies that are just getting started. It has put us in a very dangerous po=
sition, the community has been weakened, and there is the possibility that =
the forums could be handed over to the government at any time due to their =
centralized nature.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly de-centralized as I =
nor anyone else will be able to control it. I am already writing the code a=
nd I'm confident it won't be long until a basic release is out. I am certai=
n this will be very positive for the Bitcoin community, and the rest of the=
 world since centralization is getting stronger everyday. The world needs t=
his to level the playing field, it will be impossible for anything to be de=
leted on this forum even if the NSA attacks it. No one will be banned ever.=
 The only rule is there are no rules.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
If anyone is interested in this feel free to email me back. I am doing this=
 for zero profit and without any pay, just out of passion, so I don't mind =
getting as much people as possible involved. <br>
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nity at this time. Bitcoin as a whole is only so big. The bitcoin discussio=
n communities are spread out, but there are only a few popular ones. Bitcoi=
nTalk and Reddit seem to be the largest, most popular where bitcoin discuss=
ion happens consistently and from almost everyone in the community (devs, u=
sers, btc companies, merchants, and so on). I think we all know where this =
is going. If not, here you go. BitcoinTalk and Reddit are managed by a sing=
le person: Theymos. It's become quite clear over the past several days/week=
s, that Theymos is highly censoring bitcoin discussion, mainly on Reddit, b=
ut also BitcoinTalk. If this single person is able to censor content, and h=
ush the debate, he (and whatever his agenda is), wins. How can we as a comm=
unity discuss these proposed changes, if the discussion is from a one sided=
 point of view? There doesn't seem to be a solution at this time, but I fin=
d it dissapointing that many (in this very email list) aren't discussing th=
is important part of the issue. Maybe it's becuase Theymos is anti-bigger b=
locks, which seems to coincide with the Blockstream point of view, which ma=
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