From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 26 2002 - 18:08:03 MST
--- John K Clark <jonkc@att.net> wrote:
> >>ME:
> >>That's [working against the Kyoto agreement] the best
> >>example you can think of for foolish American policy??
>
> "Amara Graps" <amara@amara.com>
>
> > I wrote a list of many examples.
>
> OK, you also complained about the Bush working against the World
> Court and
> later you complain that Bush is weakening constitutional rights, but
> these two complaints are contradictory. An American citizen could be
> charged with
> some rather vague felonies like "serious threats to the environment"
>and even "committing outrages on personal dignity" whatever that
means.
> Also the
> constitution has a prohibition against double jeopardy but the World
> Court
> does not, and the right to trial by jury would be lost, so would the
> right to confront the witnesses against you.
Not to mention that the judges are not appointed by any process that
could be remotely considered democratic:
Ambassadors to the UN (all appointed by political leaders who may or
may not gain office through democratic or other constitutional means)
vote approvals of judges nominated by some star chamber of bureaucrats.
How many degrees of separation are these judges from any vote of
popular confidence?
The UN recognises no individual right of self defense, only a national
right of self defense. If some American woman in any state legally
shoots a rapist in self defense who turns out to be a citizen of
another nation (like, say, Britain), that other nation could charge her
with human rights crimes in the World Court.
>
> >Middle East follies
>
> The place is a madhouse but I hardly think that is the fault of Bush,
> it's the fault of religion.
Ah, but anybody who thinks Isreal has a right to exist is automatically
wrong... as if those responsible for the Holocaust should be considered
to have any qualified opinion in the matter...
>
> >steel tariffs
>
> There is no way I can defend steel tariffs, and there is another Bush
> blunder that you didn't mention that is making foreigners justifiably
> angry, the Farm Subsidy Act.
Yet why aren't the protectionist French, Italians, Germans, etc who
have raised their own barriers to many products equally tarred by their
own criticism of us?
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