From: Zero Powers (zero_powers@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 13 2000 - 16:59:31 MST
>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mike@datamann.com>
>
> > >Facts are that guns are what keeps as many people in this country in
> > >circulation as possible. Proven fact, undeniable. Largest statistical
> > >database examined to date (and the most unbiased one).
> >
> > What database? Where can I see it for myself. If as you say, it is
>really
> > "undeniable" then I won't deny it. I doubt however that there is any
>such
> > "proven" and "undeniable" evidence.
>
>FBI Database of Crime Statistics, 1979 to 1995.
Not even remotely close to "undeniable." Sure everyone knows that crime has
been steadily decreasing recently. *Nothing* I have ever seen attributes
this trend to the large number of guns circulating in society. You might
want to check out what the National Center for Policy Analysis has to say on
this count.
http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s229/s229.html
> > >I can also retort
> > >that there should be more hateful cartoons about people and groups that
> > >think that law abiding citizens have no right to defend their lives
> > >against criminals.
> >
> > As to the need for such cartoons, suit yourself. As for the words you
>seem
> > to be trying to put in my mouth, I never said, or suggested, any such
>thing.
>
>You quite vehemently supported the same for the opposition. If you don't
>like it
>one way, don't support the other..
You misinterpreted my comment. What I said was "As to the need for such
cartoons, suit yourself." What this means is, if you want to publish
cartoons lampooning my opinions and people like me who hold them, suit
yourself. In other words, go for it, have at it, cartoon away...I don't
care. Comprendo?
> > >Do you really want to continue?
> >
> > Only if you can turn down the posturing and the rhetoric and turn up the
> > facts and a *reasonable* debate.
>
>I didn't start it, you did. I'm all for reasonable debate. Just the facts.
OK, just the facts, huh? Lets start with your claim that the FBI Database
of Crime Statistics, 1979 to 1995, somehow supports your assertion that
"guns are what keeps (sic) as many people in this country in circulation as
possible." And that this assertion is, in your own words, "Proven fact,
undeniable."
Where *exactly* can any such "facts" be gleaned from the FBI Database of
Crime Statistics, 1979 to 1995? Reference to web page would be appreciated.
-Zero
"I like dreams of the future better than the history of the past"
--Thomas Jefferson
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