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On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Ricardo Filipe <ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com>
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> 2015-06-01 0:40 GMT+01:00 Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe <
> ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as it
> >> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same
> >> between the miners.
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is that an assumption?
> no, let me rephrase: The disadvantage alex refers to only exists if
> miners do not have the same network speed.
>
> >
> >> If there is a difference in network speed, the
> >> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps it's best not to assume that investing in Internet network
> > infrastructure's a free or open market everywhere.
> Just like easy ASIC access, low price electricity, etc are not a free
> and open market.
>
-- point well made and taken.
p.
>
> >
> > p.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi <alex.mizrahi@gmail.com>:
> >> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slight)
> >> >> disadvantage.
> >> >> So?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus bigger
> >> > blocks
> >> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to block size.)
> >> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have a
> >> > disadvantage.
> >> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist.
> >> >
> >> > Did you just lie to Chun?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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r.wong@gmail.com">pindar.wong@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Ricardo Filipe <<a href=3D"mailto:r=
icardojdfilipe@gmail.com">ricardojdfilipe@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> He also said that the equation for miners has many variables, as i=
t<br>
>> should. There is no disadvantage if the network speed is the same<=
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>> between the miners.<br>
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> Hi,<br>
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> Is that an assumption?<br>
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miners do not have the same network speed.<br>
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>> If there is a difference in network speed, the<br>
>> miner is incentivized to invest in their network infrastructure.<b=
r>
><br>
><br>
> Perhaps it's best not to=C2=A0 assume that investing in Internet n=
etwork<br>
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and open market.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-- point well made and=
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> p.<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>> 2015-05-31 23:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Mizrahi <<a href=3D"mailto:alex=
.mizrahi@gmail.com">alex.mizrahi@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> >> Yes, if you are on a slow network then you are at a (slig=
ht)<br>
>> >> disadvantage.<br>
>> >> So?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Chun mentioned that his pool is on a slow network, and thus b=
igger<br>
>> > blocks<br>
>> > give it an disadvantage. (Orphan rate is proportional to bloc=
k size.)<br>
>> > You said that no, on contrary those who make big blocks have =
a<br>
>> > disadvantage.<br>
>> > And now you say that yes, this disadvantage exist.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Did you just lie to Chun?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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