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Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
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Ava

> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
April 22nd.

Is Luke happy with this? That is a lot of new editors to onboard. I
suspect you'd push back against adding 5 maintainers overnight to
Bitcoin Core and I'm not sure why this is any different. What happens
if there is disagreement between these now 6 BIP editors on merge
decisions? If Luke is fine with this ok but it seems like the BIPs
repo is going to be a free for all from now on.

Thanks
Michael

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development
Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform
> everyone of what will happen on Monday.
>
> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there
> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.
> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
> April 22nd.
>
> Ava
>
> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
> wrote:
> > While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at
> > once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the
> > nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
> > objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objection=
s
> > to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share
> > their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed
> > by many others.
> >
> > Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current
> > counts are:
> > * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
> > * Murch - 13 for
> > * Jonatack - 13 for
> > * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
> > * Roasbeef - 9 for
> > * Michael Folkson - none
> >
> > However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and
> > require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process
> > be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
> > achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of
> > these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who
> > have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list
> > seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone reall=
y
> > wants to deal with.
> >
> > I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted
> > on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached ou=
t
> > to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and
> > Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
> > confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
> > received a response from Roasbeef.
> >
> > Ava
> >
> > On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
> >>   > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
> >> majority.
> >>
> >> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having
> >> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which peop=
le
> >> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up
> >> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not
> >> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up
> >> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from
> >> their expectations.
> >>
> >> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and
> >> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we ne=
ed
> >> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking o=
ff).
> >>
> >> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
> >> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their trac=
k
> >> record in the space
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 for
> >> Kanzure
> >> RubenSomsen
> >> Seccour
> >> Jon Atack
> >> Roasbeef
> >>
> >> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> >> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
> >> majority.
> >>
> >> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
> >>
> >> I'd like to return to that.
> >>
> >> - NVK (temp gmail account)
> >>
> >>      On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Har=
ding wrote:
> >>
> >>          On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
> >>           > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I
> >>          like Bob!".
> >>
> >>          Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appe=
ars
> >>          to be
> >>          the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks =
denote
> >>          candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role=
.
> >>
> >>          - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
> >>          Stewart[3],
> >>          Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
> >>          Black[11],
> >>          Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
> >>          Carvalho[16]
> >>
> >>          - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
> >>          Michael
> >>          Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15]=
, John
> >>          Carvalho[16]
> >>
> >>          - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3]=
,
> >>          /dev/fd0[5][7],
> >>          Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
> >>          Carvalho[16]
> >>
> >>          - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
> >>          Stewart[3], John
> >>          C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
> >>          Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
> >>
> >>          - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], K=
eagan
> >>          McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
> >>          Riard[12],
> >>          Ava Chow[14]
> >>
> >>          - Michael Folkson*
> >>
> >>          Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
> >>          "non-dev
> >>          triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and
> >>          Antoine
> >>          Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
> >>
> >>          I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the ab=
ove
> >>          candidates had been especially active there, which is listed
> >>          below as:
> >>          total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed)=
.
> >>
> >>          - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
> >>          - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
> >>          - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
> >>          - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
> >>          - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
> >>          - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
> >>
> >>          I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set t=
o
> >>          have a
> >>          merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there ar=
e
> >>          far-along
> >>          draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
> >>          Payments). I
> >>          don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
> >>          demonstrates
> >>          familiarity with the process.
> >>
> >>          Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above=
 with
> >>          multiple recommendations from other community participants ar=
e
> >>          fully
> >>          qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
> >>          justification
> >>          for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only =
a
> >>          longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as C=
orallo
> >>          mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through=
 a
> >>          draft
> >>          BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of
> >>          all 300
> >>          pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
> >>          reviewed
> >>          drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
> >>          significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of=
 the
> >>          documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'=
d
> >>          ask him
> >>          to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's alre=
ady
> >>          doing,
> >>          so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
> >>
> >>          -Dave
> >>
> >>          [1]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@achow1=
01.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d979275=
51e@achow101.com/>
> >>          [2]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dashjr=
.org/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a=
3@dashjr.org/>
> >>          [3]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@google=
groups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cddc4=
6f129a2n@googlegroups.com/>
> >>          [4]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netpur=
gatory.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd55=
899b713@netpurgatory.com/>
> >>          [5]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@google=
groups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c371=
9157fabn@googlegroups.com/>
> >>          [6]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@google=
groups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639a3=
564d006n@googlegroups.com/>
> >>          [7]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@google=
groups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d34=
6efbea1n@googlegroups.com/>
> >>          [8]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=
=3DwruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFG=
L1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/>
> >>          [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.or=
g/
> >>          <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertodd.=
org/>
> >>          [10]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@mattco=
rallo.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba033=
6a9bf2@mattcorallo.com/>
> >>          [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@consol=
e/
> >>          <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/>
> >>          [12]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E...=
@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+=
EKMCP5oEbHSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/>
> >>          [13]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murch.=
one/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e778=
@murch.one/>
> >>          [14]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@achow1=
01.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f-866d-c555b80b0=
644@achow101.com/>
> >>          [15]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT5W=
of_oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2jS4=
xojo=3D@protonmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85km=
IBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXO=
H4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@protonmail.com/>
> >>          [16]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@google=
groups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552-88ca-11b9e=
d340661n@googlegroups.com/>
> >>          [17]
> >>          https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=
=3D=3DYJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMH=
HROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9Qrst+nmyypaedYZgg@mail.gmail.com/>
> >>
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