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Just read the proposal for the dual modes... Think it would be best... Proto=
col question? Do we discuss the algorithms here on this forum? Or...
Sorry again for my thick skull!
Nina K
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:34 AM, NotMike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lis=
ts.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>=20
> I think I can solve the debate and give everyone what they want.
>=20
> Some people want BIP65, others do not.
>=20
> We can roll out 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but M=
ike and Peter R don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside each o=
ther). Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions as muc=
h as they like.
>=20
> How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do this by *imposing ad=
ditional constraints* on transaction validation, such that transactions made=
a very specific certain way will always look valid to non-CLTVers, but for C=
LTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are followed. The obviou=
s concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid payments. However, t=
heir software is already set up to request payments in a non-CLTV way, so, l=
uckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients can elect to only=
connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.
>=20
> Problem solved!
>=20
> I am happy to have solved this problem for you all, and ended this discord=
harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these words of founding fat=
her Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there's nothing we can't overcome".
>=20
>=20
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev=
@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> This is childish and very disappointing to see.
>>=20
>> 2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+02:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@list=
s.linuxfoundation.org>:
>>> I prefer the term "clown".
>>>=20
>>> Can we please move on?
>>>=20
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation=
.org>
>>> To: milly@bitcoins.info
>>> Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>> Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork t=
echnical debate
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>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM
>>>>> From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundat=
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>>>>> To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard for=
k technical debate
>>>>>> On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>>>>> It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.
>>>>=20
>>>>> "troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are terms generally used by
>>>>> teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't=
>>>>> agree with them.
>>>>=20
>>>> They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more profession=
al...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Just read the proposal for the dual mo=
des... Think it would be best... Protocol question? Do we discuss the a=
lgorithms here on this forum? Or...</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry aga=
in for my thick skull!</div><div><br></div><div>Nina K</div><div><br>Sent fr=
om my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:34 AM, NotMike Hearn via bit=
coin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoi=
n-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I think I can solve the debate and give ever=
yone what they want.<br><br>Some people want BIP65, others do not.<br><br>We=
can roll out 65 in a clever way, such that Greg/PeterT can get it, but Mike=
and Peter R don't need to have it (both versions can run alongside each oth=
er). Even better, people can switch back and forth between versions as much a=
s they like.<br><br>How might this work? Well, paradoxically, we could do th=
is by *imposing additional constraints* on transaction validation, such that=
transactions made a very specific certain way will always look valid to non=
-CLTVers, but for CLTVers they will not be valid unless the CLTV rules are f=
ollowed. The obvious concern is that non-CLTV people might receive invalid p=
ayments. However, their software is already set up to request payments in a n=
on-CLTV way, so, luckily, this is actually not a problem at all! SPV clients=
can elect to only connect to nodes which are non-CLTV.<div><br></div><div>P=
roblem solved!<br><br>I am happy to have solved this problem for you all, an=
d ended this discord harmoniously. If we all put our heads together, these w=
ords of founding father Aretha Franklin will ring true: "there's nothing we c=
an't overcome".<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Marcel Jamin via bitcoin-de=
v <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.=
org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">This is childish and=
very disappointing to see.</div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-10-06 9:20 GMT+0=
2:00 Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:b=
itcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.li=
nuxfoundation.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I prefer t=
he term "clown".<br>
<br>
Can we please move on?<br>
<br>
------ Original Message ------<br>
From: "cipher anthem via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@list=
s.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.o=
rg</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:milly@bitcoins.info" target=3D"_blank">milly@bitcoins.=
info</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
Sent: 10/6/2015 12:17:14 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork techn=
ical debate<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 at 8:21 PM<br>
From: "Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev" <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-de=
v@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfounda=
tion.org</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] This thread is not about the soft/hard fork=
technical debate<br>
On 10/5/2015 4:05 PM, Steven Pine via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It's pretty clear Mike has turned into concern troll and bully.<br>
</blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
"troll" and, even worse, "concern troll" are terms generally used by<b=
r>
teenagers on places like Reddit to complain about someone who doesn't<=
br>
agree with them.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
They should substitute troll for cultist so they appear more professional...=
<br>
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