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For what it's worth, I strongly support Roasbeef as a candidate.
That said, I would find it helpful if someone could go through the thread=
=20
and list all the people who've been proposed so people know who they=20
should be thinking about.
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John C. Vernaleo, Ph.D.
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jcv@netpurgatory.com
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, Murch wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I wanted to check in on the topic adding BIP Editors. There seem to be a=
=20
> number of candidates that are willing and able, and there seems to be bro=
ad=20
> agreement among the current editor, the readers of the repository, and th=
e=20
> contributors to the repository that additional help is desirable.
>
> I have seen some support and reservations raised for pretty much every=20
> candidate. A few weeks have passed since this topic was last active. So f=
ar,=20
> there seems no clear path forward.
>
> If we are all just in a holding pattern, perhaps we could timebox this=20
> decision process: how about we invite arguments for and against any=20
> candidates in this thread until next Friday EOD (April 5th). If any=20
> candidates find broad support, those candidates could be added as new edi=
tors=20
> to the repository on the following Monday (April 8th). If none get broad=
=20
> support, at least we=E2=80=99d be able to move on and try something else.
>
> I propose that all editors share the same privileges, especially that any=
=20
> editor may assign numbers to BIPs. If there is guidance to be provided on=
the=20
> process of assigning numbers and number ranges for specific topics, it sh=
ould=20
> be provided by then. If the editors decide on a single number authority a=
mong=20
> themselves, that would also be fine as long as it doesn=E2=80=99t become =
a=20
> bottleneck.
>
> As Tim and Chris have suggested, it seems reasonable to me that assessmen=
t of=20
> the technical soundness can be left to the audience. BIPs have been publi=
shed=20
> in the repository and set to the "rejected" status before, so it=E2=80=99=
s not as if=20
> adding a BIP to the repository is treated as an unequivocal endorsement o=
r=20
> implementation recommendation.
>
> Cheers,
> Murch
>
>
> On 3/14/24 07:56, Chris Stewart wrote:
>> I agree with Tim's thoughts here.
>>=20
>> I think Jon Atack, Reuben Somsen, Kanzure or Roasbeef would all make gre=
at
>> candidates.
>>=20
>> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:55:52=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6 Tim Ruffing =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote:
>>>> The hard part is evaluating
>>>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev
>>>> skills (mainly for technical soundness).
>>>=20
>>> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with BIP2
>>> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the current
>>> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors.
>>>=20
>>> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the
>>> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal
>>> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self-
>>> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves
>>> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility
>>> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a
>>> BIP, not by the editor.
>>>=20
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> [1] BIP2 says:
>>> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following:
>>>=20
>>> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas
>>> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be
>>> accepted.
>>> [...]"
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