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I have added quite a bit more details. I haven't made any UML diagrams just
yet. I did add a basic non-technical infographic though, and more then
likely making a technical UML for the cryptographic mechanisms will be on
my to-do list. I have also updated the terminology and added a bit more
content.

Best regards, Andrew

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:44 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:

> My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humor was no=
t
> meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it personally.
>
>
> PS: The AI overlord is no joke
>
> Cheers,
> -Yancy
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Foundation <
> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull
> request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I gues=
s
> the sense of humor.
>
> Best regards, Andrew
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy <email@yancy.lol> wrote:
>
>> Ok thanks.  Using the correct terminology helps people understand what
>> you're talking about and take you seriously.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Yancy
>>
>>
>> Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation <loneroassociation@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm
>> and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to asym=
metric
>> cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a
>> different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,"=
, I
>> should have stated in regards to cryptographic key validation. There are=
 a
>> few other dubious clarifications or minor edits I should make in order t=
o
>> not draw confusion. I will do a repo update today. Honest mistake, but
>> enough with the sarcasm.
>>
>> Best regards, Andrew
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol> wrote:
>>
>>> My email was not intended as an insult.  Your proposal seemed a bit lik=
e
>>> gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such as
>>> conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if yo=
u
>>> were a bot spamming the list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?
>>> How long before our AI overlord produces improvements to Bitcoin?  At w=
hat
>>> point will the AI have more than 51% of commit frequency?  Will we have
>>> lost the war to our new centralized overlord?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Yancy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation <
>>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation
>>> cryptography in that aspect:
>>> https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-=
book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html
>>> My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop proof=
s
>>> for and the different cryptographic elements I want to develop proofs f=
or.
>>> That said to those who disagree with the premise, I do prefer
>>> constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one another. After =
all
>>> this is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aiming to devel=
op a
>>> specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and paste a
>>> repository and call it a day.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Andrew
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation <
>>> loneroassociation@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a
>>>> BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main poi=
nt in
>>>> regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creat=
es an
>>>> alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the
>>>> future as well as sustainability is something I believe lots of the ch=
anges
>>>> I am proposing can fix. In regards to technological implementation, on=
ce
>>>> this is assigned draft status I am more than willing to create preprin=
ts
>>>> explaining the cryptography, hashing algorithm improvements, and conse=
nsus
>>>> that I am working on. This is a highly technologically complex idea th=
at I
>>>> am willing to "call my bluff on" and expand upon. As for it being a dr=
aft,
>>>> I think this is a good starting point at least for draft status prior =
to
>>>> working on technological implementation.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Andrew
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol <email@yancy.lol>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think Andrew himself is an algo.  The crypto training set must not
>>>>> be very good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Yancy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-de=
v
>>>>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =E2=80=A6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">I have added quite a bit more details. I haven&#39;t made=
 any UML diagrams just yet. I did add a basic non-technical infographic tho=
ugh, and more then likely making a technical UML for the cryptographic mech=
anisms will be on my to-do list. I have also updated the terminology and ad=
ded a bit more content.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best r=
egards, Andrew</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 2:44 PM email@yancy.lol &lt;email=
@yancy.lol&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr=
" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id=3D"m_65532=
4507113837888docs-internal-guid-be47d78b-7fff-e62f-3a7d-3f65dada23ee"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;fon=
t-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;ver=
tical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">My mistake for thinking your tex=
t was generated text, and my humor was not meant to be directed at you, so =
apologies if you took it personally.</span></p>=C2=A0<p dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;fo=
nt-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:bas=
eline;white-space:pre-wrap">PS: The AI overlord is no joke</span></p><br>Ch=
eers,<br>-Yancy<br><br>On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Founda=
tion &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=C2=A0<bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXzOre2nhaC9gPWe0Qa30+434_vC+Q0WsV=
z=3DkxKk4HjvEg@mail.gmail.com"><div dir=3D"auto">Hi, no worries. I made the=
 changes now in the GitHub repository and pull request. I&#39;m hoping for =
a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess the sense of humor.<div =
dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></div>=
=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On S=
at, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy &lt;email@yancy.lol&gt; wrote:</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Ok tha=
nks.=C2=A0 Using the correct terminology helps people understand what you&#=
39;re talking about and take you seriously.</span><br><br><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif">Cheers,</span><br><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if">-Yancy</span><div>=C2=A0<p>Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation &l=
t;<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt;:</p><blockquote><=
div dir=3D"auto">Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashi=
ng algorithm and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referri=
ng to=C2=A0<span>asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. =
I should have used a different term though instead of, &quot;In regards to =
cryptographic hashing,&quot;, I should have stated in regards to cryptograp=
hic key validation. There are a few other dubious clarifications or minor e=
dits I should make in order to not draw confusion. I will do a repo update =
today. Honest mistake, but enough with the sarcasm.</span><div dir=3D"auto"=
>=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">Best regards, Andrew</div></div>=C2=A0<div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 13, =
2021, 3:13 AM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy.lol&gt; wrote:</div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0=
pt;margin-bottom:0pt" id=3D"m_655324507113837888m_-24665084329890104m_-7605=
373105595509035m_8158420199876589271m_-1581779554600417290m_-17411290091809=
98294m_3490105251412115872m_-7757793637796267019m_-5697419812760722977docs-=
internal-guid-4056a8b1-7fff-9296-3427-4d2e04c785c7"><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:4=
00;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:11pt;font-family:=
Arial;font-style:normal">My email was not intended as an insult.=C2=A0 Your=
 proposal seemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as poi=
nted out before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was ge=
nuinely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.</span></p>=C2=A0<p dir=
=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span =
style=3D"background-color:transparent;font-variant:normal;white-space:pre-w=
rap;font-weight:400;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Arial;font-style:normal">Maybe a more interesting topic is=
, can GPT3 be used to generate a BIP?=C2=A0 How long before our AI overlord=
 produces improvements to Bitcoin?=C2=A0 At what point will the AI have mor=
e than 51% of commit frequency?=C2=A0 Will we have lost the war to our new =
centralized overlord?</span></p><br>Cheers,<br>-Yancy<br><br><br>On Saturda=
y, March 13, 2021 00:31 CET, Lonero Foundation &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lo=
neroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=C2=A0<blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXw5uh4yfvqDiBBEXcq188PEGku-NFFAq7uNuAFTG3ooTQ@mail.gm=
ail.com"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Also, I already stated I was referring to si=
gnature validation cryptography in that aspect: <a rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer" href=3D"https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for=
-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html=
" target=3D"_blank">https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography=
-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.=
html</a></div><div>My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want t=
o develop proofs for and the different cryptographic elements I want to dev=
elop proofs for.</div><div>That said to those who disagree with the premise=
, I do prefer constructive feedback over insults or making fun of one anoth=
er. After all this is an improvement proposal with a specific purpose aimin=
g to develop a specific thing, not a guy who is just wanting to copy and pa=
ste a repository and call it a day.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Best regards=
, Andrew</div></div>=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lonero Foundation &lt;<a re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer" href=3D"mailto:loneroassociation@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">loneroassociation@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi, I also wa=
nt to emphasize that my main point isn&#39;t just to create a BTC hardfork =
or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point in regards to t=
his BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creates an alternative=
. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the future as well a=
s sustainability is something I believe lots of the changes I am proposing =
can fix. In regards to technological implementation, once this is assigned =
draft status I am more than willing to create preprints explaining the cryp=
tography, hashing algorithm improvements, and consensus that I am working o=
n. This is a highly technologically complex idea that I am willing to &quot=
;call my bluff on&quot; and expand upon. As for it being a draft, I think t=
his is a good starting point at least for draft status prior to working on =
technological implementation.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Best regards, Andr=
ew</div></div>=C2=A0<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:37 PM email@yancy.lol &lt;email@yancy.l=
ol&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I thin=
k Andrew himself is an algo.=C2=A0 The crypto training set must not be very=
 good.<br><br>Cheers,<br>-Yancy<br><br>On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET,=
 Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev &lt;<a rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" h=
ref=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitc=
oin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=C2=A0<blockquote type=
=3D"cite" cite=3D"http://CA+YkXXz9aHfZtt-it_8w4ovF=3D-QaZ4_9vwDS0Kz36qhHwVD=
C5Q@mail.gmail.com">=E2=80=A6</blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0</blockquote></=
div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0</blockquote></div></=
blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><br><br><br>=C2=A0
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