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Bit is simple phonetically, I'm for it.


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Mike Caldwell <mcaldwell@swipeclock.com>wr=
ote:

> If bit had to be preceded by a letter I would nominate "ebit" or "xbit"
> (which could still be XBT)
>
> Those needing a definition for x could define it as "coin/1000000".
>
> That said, I am still more in favor of "bit". Xbit would just solve the
> problems others cite about ambiguity if they had to be solved without the
> resulting name being too long.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:33 PM, "Un Ix" <slashdevnull@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Something tells me this would be reduced to a single syllable in common
> usage I.e. bit.
>
> My 2 cents goes for "bit".
>
> Because: Bitcoin is a digital currency, BTC starts with "bit", "bit"
> refers to a small amount of something in its regular english usage and
> lastly 99.9876543% of people on the planet don't know what a digital "bit=
"
> is yet ...
>
> Gavin
>
> On 21/04/2014, at 9:20 am, "Mike Caldwell" <mcaldwell@swipeclock.com>
> wrote:
>
> My impression:
>
> Good because it is short, memorable, and pronounceable by speakers of mos=
t
> languages (though to most of the world that would be oo-bit, as "u" being
> "yu" is mostly an English thing)
>
> Downsides include the fact that =CE=BC is not a U, it just resembles one.=
 It is
> a lowercase M in Greek, a live spoken language also studied by many, and
> calling it a U conveys a notion of global unawareness. And the potential
> for "XBT" to be 1e-6 BTC on the world stage would be huge, worth pursuing=
.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 20, 2014, at 6:16 PM, "Justin A" <allport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <delurk>
>
> What about "ubit", pronounced "YOU-bit", representing 1e-6 bitcoin? Easy
> to say, tied in a visual way to the metric micro, leaves the required 2
> decimal places for the marginally numerate.. What more could one want?
>
> </delurk>
>
> Also, hi. My first post; plan to get involved over the southern hemispher=
e
> winter if I can learn enough.
> On Apr 20, 2014 4:32 PM, "Mike Caldwell" <mcaldwell@swipeclock.com> wrote=
:
>
>> By culturally neutral I mean we avoid deliberately invoking a cultural
>> reference in the name.  For example "satoshi" would be a reference to
>> Japanese culture just for being a common Japanese name regardless of who
>> Satoshi turns out to be.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 20, 2014, at 1:20 PM, "Christophe Biocca" <
>> christophe.biocca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Culturally neutral? "bit" in French phonetically collides with slang
>> > for phallus ("bitte", with a silent "e"). Apparently it means "louse"
>> > in Turkish as well.
>> >
>> > Not that this really would be avoidable with any short word (all the
>> > short possible words are usually taken), but it's not neutral.
>> >
>> >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Oliver Egginger <bitcoin@olivere.de>
>> wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> just my two 'cents':
>> >>
>> >> Terms arises by itself. Just as most people speak of coins when they
>> >> mean bitcoins. I do not see that bitcoin is currently in common use
>> >> except for speculation. Therefore no term for smaller units has
>> >> established yet. No problem in my eyes. Time will tell.
>> >>
>> >> - oliver
>> >>
>> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bit is simple phonetically, I&#39;m for it.=C2=A0<div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 a=
t 1:34 PM, Mike Caldwell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcaldwell@=
swipeclock.com" target=3D"_blank">mcaldwell@swipeclock.com</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>If bit had to be prec=
eded by a letter I would nominate &quot;ebit&quot; or &quot;xbit&quot; (whi=
ch could still be XBT)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Those needing a definition for x could define it as &qu=
ot;coin/1000000&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I am still=
 more in favor of &quot;bit&quot;. Xbit would just solve the problems other=
s cite about ambiguity if they had to be solved without the resulting name =
being too long.</div>
<div class=3D""><div><br><div>Mike</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone<=
/div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br>On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:33 PM, &qu=
ot;Un Ix&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slashdevnull@hotmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">slashdevnull@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Something tells me this would=
 be reduced to a single syllable in common usage I.e. bit.</div><div><br></=
div><div>My 2 cents goes for &quot;bit&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Because: Bitcoin is a digital currency, BTC starts with &quot;bit&quot;, =
&quot;bit&quot; refers to a small amount of something in its regular englis=
h usage and lastly 99.9876543% of people on the planet don&#39;t know what =
a digital &quot;bit&quot; is yet ...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Gavin</div><div><br>On 21/04/2014, at 9:20 am, &quot;Mi=
ke Caldwell&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcaldwell@swipeclock.com" target=3D=
"_blank">mcaldwell@swipeclock.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">
<div><div>My impression:</div><div><br></div><div>Good because it is short,=
 memorable, and pronounceable by speakers of most languages (though to most=
 of the world that would be oo-bit, as &quot;u&quot; being &quot;yu&quot; i=
s mostly an English thing)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Downsides include the fact that =CE=BC is not a U, it j=
ust resembles one. It is a lowercase M in Greek, a live spoken language als=
o studied by many, and calling it a U conveys a notion of global unawarenes=
s. And the potential for &quot;XBT&quot; to be 1e-6 BTC on the world stage =
would be huge, worth pursuing.=C2=A0<br>
<br><div>Mike</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr =
20, 2014, at 6:16 PM, &quot;Justin A&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:allport@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">allport@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><p dir=3D"ltr">&lt;delurk&gt;</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">What about &quot;ubit&quot;, pronounced &quot;YOU-bit&quot;,=
 representing 1e-6 bitcoin? Easy to say, tied in a visual way to the metric=
 micro, leaves the required 2 decimal places for the marginally numerate.. =
What more could one want?</p>


<p dir=3D"ltr">&lt;/delurk&gt;</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Also, hi. My first post; plan to get involved over the south=
ern hemisphere winter if I can learn enough.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Apr 20, 2014 4:32 PM, &quot;Mike Caldwell&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcaldwell@swipeclock.com" target=3D"_blank">mcaldw=
ell@swipeclock.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

By culturally neutral I mean we avoid deliberately invoking a cultural refe=
rence in the name. =C2=A0For example &quot;satoshi&quot; would be a referen=
ce to Japanese culture just for being a common Japanese name regardless of =
who Satoshi turns out to be.<br>


<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Apr 20, 2014, at 1:20 PM, &quot;Christophe Biocca&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:christophe.biocca@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">christophe.biocca=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Culturally neutral? &quot;bit&quot; in French phonetically collides wi=
th slang<br>
&gt; for phallus (&quot;bitte&quot;, with a silent &quot;e&quot;). Apparent=
ly it means &quot;louse&quot;<br>
&gt; in Turkish as well.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Not that this really would be avoidable with any short word (all the<b=
r>
&gt; short possible words are usually taken), but it&#39;s not neutral.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Oliver Egginger &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:bitcoin@olivere.de" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin@olivere.de</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; just my two &#39;cents&#39;:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Terms arises by itself. Just as most people speak of coins when th=
ey<br>
&gt;&gt; mean bitcoins. I do not see that bitcoin is currently in common us=
e<br>
&gt;&gt; except for speculation. Therefore no term for smaller units has<br=
>
&gt;&gt; established yet. No problem in my eyes. Time will tell.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; - oliver<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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