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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] `OP_EVICT`: An Alternative to
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Good morning Billy,

> >=C2=A0"fully" punitive channels also make large value channels more dang=
erous from the perspective of bugs causing old=C2=A0states to be published
>
> Wouldn't it be ideal to have the penalty be to pay for a single extra tra=
nsaction fee? That way there is a penalty so cheating attempts aren't free =
(for someone who wants to close a channel anyway) and yet a single fee isn'=
t going to be much of a concern in the accidental publishing case. It still=
 perplexes me why eltoo chose no penalty at all vs a small penalty like tha=
t.

Nothing in the Decker-Russell-Osunstokun paper *prevents* that --- you coul=
d continue to retain per-participant versions of update+state transactions =
(congruent to the per-participant commitment transactions of Poon-Dryja) an=
d have each participant hold a version that deducts the fee from their main=
 owned funds.
The Decker-Russell-Osuntokun paper simply focuses on the mechanism by itsel=
f without regard to fees, on the understanding that the reader already know=
s fees exist and need to be paid.

Regards,
ZmnSCPxj