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> > Even if it is not needed, it is kind of "free" if you take transaction s=
ize into account
>=20
> But it would require an on-chain transaction. We don't want 6 billion peop=
le to have to send an on-chain transaction all in the same week in order to r=
egister their preference on something.
I haven=E2=80=99t followed this thread, so apologies if I=E2=80=99m missing s=
ome context, but confirmed tx signaling remains miner signaling.
Regardless, miners are the only actors who can create soft fork compatibilit=
y, so theirs is the only relevant signal. Otherwise people can just fork the=
mselves at any time using any voting mechanism they want.
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