summaryrefslogtreecommitdiff
path: root/db/2f0e6f3c5d0a48c69373fc4676104163613a26
blob: 8be04224a29615b40bf733c28804298ab5751671 (plain)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
Return-Path: <rodney.morris@gmail.com>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
	[172.17.192.35])
	by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623BB516
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat,  1 Apr 2017 01:42:01 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from mail-wr0-f173.google.com (mail-wr0-f173.google.com
	[209.85.128.173])
	by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 918E2190
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat,  1 Apr 2017 01:42:00 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-wr0-f173.google.com with SMTP id k6so111711569wre.2
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025;
	h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to
	:cc; bh=jINDy54Gdffub7QRra7mC2ouFTDmu6Oaluh0MCj4Ick=;
	b=VH9b0mrAGbK1AEr9XNWt3O0qWeg8x0iR4aeokMVxytTZVOqDVrHK2++6PiG5wjNyqa
	/MjzewRSUgoqDbgr6wxas5fPgM5tQW44i6wEEAp6WuscINH70QL2p1keNbkXDDYizS8W
	srihcwsajmlhXKdM4DrG3JIZLuu+53TH415eB4y6gNLqu5yLpaRCkAk6mDnJVHUNW0Of
	lXfieT0iPELK1e7/PxpexVDYg2cu6BvfIg9+qpSaWYl5spAjPZn9u1lZo0NBcPMvORja
	Qw5IWi5QAjPs1VBN80BkSoeusZCC6pY2N0yPrkWgeVKMa94IGJxGMu0KUuPPGigA4008
	O1Xw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
	d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
	h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
	:message-id:subject:to:cc;
	bh=jINDy54Gdffub7QRra7mC2ouFTDmu6Oaluh0MCj4Ick=;
	b=mk4XYvkuuKsOOiz44rVYoDJ/cyZOkI8T7BHd4v1T5R9JXFzJr7MHvYOgCf7+yD90N7
	ZMiQo9GoCZDwLaRFbcTvazJjuTmPj2BVhrnppooTD/BX7uv5r+7tRkqtBgkiWir/r4st
	TbKeAmDdWJFGoHQa9x4om7egGyWhf86I6Xm7R7bZkUmpPWICpW1VyEkPd5AjjaY+hRRE
	VwQ/5FnkNJ2DifzQKWVHSn99ZDouRZ4cN9b4oK3IWe9RWErnsMGyDzey89/3tPSbbd+T
	alW+nd0dN9e1K7j6M+683dVU2hP9bFROrnrNFQvdZfhFuUby8Z5mk44mopeSr7XEm4gK
	VbSw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H2Ds70PU9jYB65W8Cj7y0lHIERk/pgF2dERb1cuvSundrykHZixJyFhN6ZLlFFOxNLwXldYn+WRhE6//w==
X-Received: by 10.223.169.70 with SMTP id u64mr5014348wrc.187.1491010919248;
	Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.80.173.234 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.80.173.234 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CABerxhGeofH4iEonjB1xKOkHcEVJrR+D4QhHSw5cWYsjmW4JpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABerxhFY8NoA6sSiz1oZ=01Di8n9+QR1xE6NNtxvm=Ov1bGhWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9eb001f8-7623-3c79-41bb-7ed6e45b43ae@voskuil.org>
	<CABerxhGeofH4iEonjB1xKOkHcEVJrR+D4QhHSw5cWYsjmW4JpQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Rodney Morris <rodney.morris@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:41:58 +1100
Message-ID: <CABerxhGGtoDvUqqrd4Dx2COVipdDhHbt1Ca+9_Gh0_Z_J2h+Ng@mail.gmail.com>
To: Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045cf46e32bd1b054c1108ad
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
	DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,
	HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20, 
	RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
	smtp1.linux-foundation.org
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 01:43:19 +0000
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 01:42:01 -0000

--f403045cf46e32bd1b054c1108ad
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I didn't say typical, I said every. Currently a raspberry pi on shitty adsl
can run a full node. What's wrong with needing a high end pc and good
connectivity to run a full node?

People that want to, can. People that don't want to, won't, no matter how
low spec the machine you need.

If nobody uses bitcoin, all the security in the world provides no value.
The value of bitcoin is provided by people using bitcoin, and people will
only use bitcoin if it provides value to them.  Security is one aspect
only. And the failure to understand that is what has led to the block size
debate.

Rodney

On 1 Apr 2017 10:12, "Eric Voskuil" <eric@voskuil.org> wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

On 03/31/2017 02:23 PM, Rodney Morris via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> If the obsession with every personal computer being able to run a
> fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to the dustbin
> of history,

The cause of the block size debate is the failure to understand the
Bitcoin security model. This failure is perfectly exemplified by the
above statement. If a typical personal computer cannot run a node
there is no security.

e
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJY3uJ8AAoJEDzYwH8LXOFOrBoH/1VdXQObKZ2JPHL387Sd8qT4
zzWt8tKFD+6/uCS8re97h1lZcbwb3EzBOB1J15mJ3fqTOU/rPCitN+JZAMgpw/z9
NGNp4KQDHo3vLiWWOq2GhJzyVAOcDKYLsY8/NrHK91OtABD2XIq9gERwRoZZE4rb
OPSjSAGvDK8cki72O7HpyEKX5WEyHsHNK/JmBDdTjlzkMcNEbBlYMgO24RC6x+UA
8Fh17rOcfGv6amIbmS7mK3EMkkGL83WmsgJKXNl4inI1R8z5hVKRqOFMPxmTDXVc
dEHtw8poHOX1Ld85m0+Tk2S7IdH66PCnhsKL9l6vlH02uAvLNfKxb+291q2g3YU=
=HPCK
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--f403045cf46e32bd1b054c1108ad
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"auto"><div>I didn&#39;t say typical, I said every. Currently a =
raspberry pi on shitty adsl can run a full node. What&#39;s wrong with need=
ing a high end pc and good connectivity to run a full node?=C2=A0</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">People that want to, can. People =
that don&#39;t want to, won&#39;t, no matter how low spec the machine you n=
eed.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If nobody use=
s bitcoin, all the security in the world provides no value. The value of bi=
tcoin is provided by people using bitcoin, and people will only use bitcoin=
 if it provides value to them.=C2=A0 Security is one aspect only. And the f=
ailure to understand that is what has led to the block size debate.=C2=A0</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rodney=C2=A0<br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1 Apr 2017=
 10:12, &quot;Eric Voskuil&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@voskuil.org" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">eric@voskuil.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bl=
ockquote class=3D"m_-1802475358001652921quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--=
---<br>
Hash: SHA256<br>
<div class=3D"m_-1802475358001652921quoted-text"><br>
On 03/31/2017 02:23 PM, Rodney Morris via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
&gt; If the obsession with every personal computer being able to run a<br>
&gt; fill node continues then bitcoin will be consigned to the dustbin<br>
&gt; of history,<br>
<br>
</div>The cause of the block size debate is the failure to understand the<b=
r>
Bitcoin security model. This failure is perfectly exemplified by the<br>
above statement. If a typical personal computer cannot run a node<br>
there is no security.<br>
<br>
e<br>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)<br>
<br>
iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJY3uJ8AAoJEDzYwH<wbr>8LXOFOrBoH/1VdXQObKZ2JPHL387Sd<wbr>8qT4<=
br>
zzWt8tKFD+6/uCS8re97h1lZcbwb3E<wbr>zBOB1J15mJ3fqTOU/rPCitN+<wbr>JZAMgpw/z9<=
br>
NGNp4KQDHo3vLiWWOq2GhJzyVAOcDK<wbr>YLsY8/NrHK91OtABD2XIq9gERwRoZZ<wbr>E4rb<=
br>
OPSjSAGvDK8cki72O7HpyEKX5WEyHs<wbr>HNK/JmBDdTjlzkMcNEbBlYMgO24RC6<wbr>x+UA<=
br>
8Fh17rOcfGv6amIbmS7mK3EMkkGL83<wbr>WmsgJKXNl4inI1R8z5hVKRqOFMPxmT<wbr>DXVc<=
br>
dEHtw8poHOX1Ld85m0+Tk2S7IdH66P<wbr>CnhsKL9l6vlH02uAvLNfKxb+<wbr>291q2g3YU=
=3D<br>
=3DHPCK<br>
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>

--f403045cf46e32bd1b054c1108ad--