1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
|
Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191]
helo=mx.sourceforge.net)
by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76)
(envelope-from <pindar.wong@gmail.com>) id 1Z14sQ-0007pL-F3
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Sat, 06 Jun 2015 03:34:30 +0000
Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com
designates 209.85.212.171 as permitted sender)
client-ip=209.85.212.171; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com;
helo=mail-wi0-f171.google.com;
Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com ([209.85.212.171])
by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
(Exim 4.76) id 1Z14sP-0002m1-3N
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Sat, 06 Jun 2015 03:34:30 +0000
Received: by wigg3 with SMTP id g3so3361224wig.1
for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>;
Fri, 05 Jun 2015 20:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.194.238.193 with SMTP id vm1mr11769045wjc.57.1433561663058;
Fri, 05 Jun 2015 20:34:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.194.156.226 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 20:34:22 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CANJO25K+tG3uH+GH8i4PBjdk8KyJZDAunfwMmWedOJyZOk7wNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <556CDB09.8050906@henricson.se>
<CANJO25KUvYNzGLDjr=d_gUSKe0xAju+34W9B6jmcSjQvGXR=2g@mail.gmail.com>
<CAEM=y+Xf9b1p-KB-PKzjtMirM8_WMbpMZuQyGyDv+6GM=0O9hA@mail.gmail.com>
<CANJO25K+tG3uH+GH8i4PBjdk8KyJZDAunfwMmWedOJyZOk7wNw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 11:34:22 +0800
Message-ID: <CAM7BtUoMHE4EwJAFCfOino0UKU5B4-Wzswfvttqs8=mBayK1OA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>
To: gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493cecb0b84c0517d115c7
X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/)
X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
-1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
sender-domain
0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider
(pindar.wong[at]gmail.com)
-0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record
1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
-0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from
author's domain
0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature,
not necessarily valid
-0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature
X-Headers-End: 1Z14sP-0002m1-3N
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Meta suggestions for this block size
debate
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 03:34:30 -0000
--089e01493cecb0b84c0517d115c7
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Gabe,
Did you ever get an answer to this?
I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help with some work on this and
will need to do it myself anyways since I'm not sure I understand the
nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of things (or not) etc.
I would have thought that there would be a testnet4 by now using 8mb
blocks... but hey that's just me.
p.
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have permission to create a page. If someone else does, I'll
> happily get a framework started.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <eth3rs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I second this, I don't have time to read the large number of emails
>> generated every day from the block size debate. A summary of the various
>> positions and arguments would be extremely helpful.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way we could
>>> condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing to assist if
>>> the page gets approval.
>>> On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson" <mats@henricson.se> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate
>>>> drives me nuts.
>>>>
>>>> I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will
>>>> take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other
>>>> smarter people have said over and over before, you're
>>>> wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is
>>>> just destructive. If you want no change, then say so.
>>>>
>>>> Mats
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list
>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>
>
--089e01493cecb0b84c0517d115c7
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Gabe,<br><br></div>Did you ever get an answer to=
this?<br><br>I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help with som=
e work on this and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm not sure=
I understand the nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of things =
(or not) etc.<br><br></div><div>I would have thought that there would be a =
testnet4 by now using 8mb blocks... but hey that's just me. <br><br></d=
iv><div>p.<br><br></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <span di=
r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gap=
pleto97@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr">I don't have permission to create a page. If someone el=
se does, I'll happily get a framework started.</div><div class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:eth3rs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eth3rs@gmail.com</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I second=
this, I don't have time to read the large number of emails generated e=
very day from the block size debate. A summary of the various positions and=
arguments would be extremely helpful.=C2=A0</div><div><div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM,=
gabe appleton <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gappleto97@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gappleto97@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Also, can we try to get a wiki page fo=
r the debate? That way we could condense the information as much as possibl=
e. I'll be willing to assist if the page gets approval. </p><div><div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:mats@henricson.se" target=3D"_blank">mats@henricso=
n.se</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
Hi!<br>
<br>
My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate<br>
drives me nuts.<br>
<br>
I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:<br>
<br>
1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0smarter people have said over and over before, you're<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't.<br>
<br>
2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0just destructive. If you want no change, then say so.<br>
<br>
Mats<br>
<br>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Bitcoin-development mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_bla=
nk">Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development=
" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de=
velopment</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
</div></div><br>-----------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------<br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Bitcoin-development mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_bla=
nk">Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development=
" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de=
velopment</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div><br>-----------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------<br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Bitcoin-development mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo=
pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development=
" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de=
velopment</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
--089e01493cecb0b84c0517d115c7--
|
