summaryrefslogtreecommitdiff
path: root/cf/24559a2453cd7257b21cc55ef0d0f7c72960a9
blob: 7bf97db72b3702917da27ba7724fd37c0331a349 (plain)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
Return-Path: <elombrozo@gmail.com>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
	[172.17.192.35])
	by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2741A1145
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:23:46 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from mail-pf0-f173.google.com (mail-pf0-f173.google.com
	[209.85.192.173])
	by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72AB789
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:23:45 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-pf0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 78so87242290pfw.2
	for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
	Sat, 26 Dec 2015 00:23:45 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
	h=from:to:subject:cc:date:message-id:in-reply-to:reply-to:user-agent
	:mime-version:content-type;
	bh=Z5K+QnKwaN+qdCVuY94auqzvL38aHGO6Vhx3NzQJWRU=;
	b=R8ho4dZAY6JAOqzcn68O1/vFS1yAP7gHOwCdirrTxhO/5Nq0eD4+8DBaI6yCCXA+Ms
	McIU+vMdjZwmiebsCU95gqksMLA87dGhRkBJsSgS3F72tbur2NQuEceAjJcJ7Hig5MUd
	tdZEb2TsUOpYuWxHzxw5PH5dO+dFoGFxO2vAXgpusgjUrYqtlVL3qf3/gzQspDbds60I
	3OOt1PiELp8EXJzc6uCyV3rEUFKGJxVQODrr4Ox631TxxL7uzyrLxAXhRl9nnepYtK34
	kR8wTkt/FoTiS2Bx17CPUq2JcVFFc+pPyIuiVjvxLFvTnGK4OruMKZ79cHn4AYaRdmkL
	cnOQ==
X-Received: by 10.98.89.210 with SMTP id k79mr42278380pfj.45.1451118225203;
	Sat, 26 Dec 2015 00:23:45 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.1.108] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com.
	[76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id
	mj1sm68618853pab.34.2015.12.26.00.23.44
	(version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128);
	Sat, 26 Dec 2015 00:23:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Eric Lombrozo" <elombrozo@gmail.com>
To: "Peter Todd" <pete@petertodd.org>, =?utf-8?q?Emin=20G=c3=bcn=20Sirer?=
	<el33th4x0r@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:23:38 +0000
Message-Id: <ema8a70574-c28e-4c43-a1e3-5f2f4df7d3a2@platinum>
In-Reply-To: <20151220132842.GA25481@muck>
Reply-To: "Eric Lombrozo" <elombrozo@gmail.com>
User-Agent: eM_Client/6.0.23181.0
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	boundary="------=_MB37047242-D767-40D1-B083-6B0B57E9FB78"
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
	DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW
	autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
	smtp1.linux-foundation.org
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>, nbvfour@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] We need to fix the block withholding attack
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
	<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:23:46 -0000


--------=_MB37047242-D767-40D1-B083-6B0B57E9FB78
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter Todd wrote:
  Fixing block withholding is relatively simple, but (so far) requires a
SPV-visible hardfork. (Luke-Jr's two-stage target mechanism) We should
do this hard-fork in conjunction with any blocksize increase, which will
have the desirable side effect of clearly show consent by the entire
ecosystem, SPV clients included.

I think we can generalize this and argue that it is impossible fix this=20
without reducing the visible difficulty and blinding the hasher to an=20
invisible difficulty. Unfortunately, changing the retargeting algo to=20
compute lower visible difficulty (leaving all else the same) or=20
interpreting the bits field in a way that yields a lower visible=20
difficulty is a hard fork by definition - blocks that didn't meet the=20
visible difficulty requirement before will now meet it.

jl2012 wrote:
>After the meeting I find a softfork solution. It is very inefficient=20
>and I am leaving it here just for record.
>
>1. In the first output of the second transaction of a block, mining=20
>pool will commit a random nonce with an OP_RETURN.
>
>2. Mine as normal. When a block is found, the hash is concatenated with=
=20
>the committed random nonce and hashed.
>
>3. The resulting hash must be smaller than 2 ^ (256 - 1/64) or the=20
>block is invalid. That means about 1% of blocks are discarded.
>
>4. For each difficulty retarget, the secondary target is decreased by 2=
=20
>^ 1/64.
>
>5. After 546096 blocks or 10 years, the secondary target becomes 2 ^=20
>252. Therefore only 1 in 16 hash returned by hasher is really valid.=20
>This should make the detection of block withholding attack much easier.
>
>All miners have to sacrifice 1% reward for 10 years. Confirmation will=20
>also be 1% slower than it should be.
>
>If a node (full or SPV) is not updated, it becomes more vulnerable as=20
>an attacker could mine a chain much faster without following the new=20
>rules. But this is still a softfork, by definition.
jl2012's key discovery here is that if we add an invisible difficulty=20
while keeping the retarget algo and bits semantics the same, the visible=
=20
difficulty will decrease automatically to compensate. In other words, we=
=20
can artificially increase the block time interval, allowing us to force=20
a lower visible difficulty at the next retarget without changing the=20
retarget algo nor the bits semantics. There are no other free parameters=
=20
we can tweak, so it seems this is really the best we can do.

Unfortunately, this also means longer confirmation times, lower=20
throughput, and lower miner revenue. Note, however, that confirmations=20
would (on average) represent more PoW, so fewer confirmations would be=20
required to achieve the same level of security.

We can compensate for lower throughput and lower miner revenue by=20
increasing block size and increasing block rewards. Interestingly, it=20
turns out we *can* do these things with soft forks by embedding new=20
structures into blocks and nesting their hash trees into existing=20
structures. Ideas such as extension blocks=20
[https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-May/008356.ht=
ml]=20
have been proposed before...but they add significant complications to=20
the protocol and require nontrivial app migration efforts. Old nodes=20
would not get forked off the network but backwards compatibility would=20
still be a problem as they would not be able to see at least some of the=
=20
transactions and some of the bitcoins in blocks. But if we're willing to=
=20
accept this, even the "sacred" 21 million asymptotic limit can be raised=
=20
via soft fork!

So in conclusion, it *is* possible to fix this attack with a soft fork=20
and without altering the basic economics...but it's almost surely a lot=20
more trouble than it's worth. Luke-Jr's solution is far simpler and more=
=20
elegant and is perhaps one of the few examples of a new feature (as=20
opposed to merely a structure cleanup) that would be better to deploy as=
=20
a hard fork since it's simple to implement and seems to stand a=20
reasonable chance of near universal support...and soft fork alternatives=
=20
are very, very ugly and significantly impact system usability...and I=20
think theory tells us we can't do any better.

- Eric
--------=_MB37047242-D767-40D1-B083-6B0B57E9FB78
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<HTML><HEAD>
<STYLE id=3DeMClientCss>BLOCKQUOTE.cite {
	PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1px solid; PADD=
ING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
}
BLOCKQUOTE.cite2 {
	PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #cccc=
cc 1px solid; MARGIN-TOP: 3px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
}
.plain PRE {
	FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: monospace; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGH=
T: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal
}
.plain TT {
	FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: monospace; WHITE-SPACE: pre-wrap; FONT-WEIGH=
T: normal; FONT-STYLE: normal
}
A IMG {
	BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-RIGHT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px;=
 BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px
}
#x1c2fb1324db1464cb9ece942bf916590 {
	FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma
}
#x2e2ab106f7c24bab8de993a2b4c236d1 {
	FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma
}
.plain PRE {
	FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma
}
.plain TT {
	FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma
}
BODY {
	FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma
}
</STYLE>

<STYLE></STYLE>

<META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Dutf-8 http-equiv=3DContent-Type></HEAD>
<BODY scroll=3Dauto class>
<DIV>Peter Todd wrote:<TT><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN id=3Dx2e2ab106f7c24bab8=
de993a2b4c236d1></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dx8655a99ab33b49b1842b20e56535579c class=3Dplain><FONT face=3DTaho=
ma><SPAN id=3Dx2e2ab106f7c24bab8de993a2b4c236d1><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN=
 id=3Dx2e2ab106f7c24bab8de993a2b4c236d1>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite2 cite=3D20151219184240.GB12893@muck type=3D"cite">=
<TT>
<DIV></TT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;Fixing block withholding is relatively simple=
, but (so far) requires a<BR>SPV-visible hardfork. (Luke-Jr's two-stage =
target mechanism) We should<BR>do this hard-fork in conjunction with any=
 blocksize increase, which will<BR>have the desirable side effect of clearl=
y show consent by the entire<BR>ecosystem, SPV clients included.<BR>&nbsp;<=
/DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>I think we can&nbsp;generalize this and&nbsp;argue that it is impossib=
le fix this without reducing the visible difficulty and blinding the hasher=
 to an invisible difficulty. Unfortunately, changing the retargeting algo=
 to compute lower visible difficulty (leaving all else the same) or interpr=
eting the bits field in a way that yields a lower visible difficulty is =
a hard fork by definition - blocks that didn't meet the visible difficulty=
 requirement before will now meet it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>jl2012 wrote:</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN id=3Dx1c2fb1324db1464cb9ece942bf916590>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dxfe6bba3c1777466e8e850bd3afb30a4c>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite2 type=3D"cite">
<DIV>After the meeting I find a softfork solution. It is very inefficient=
 and I am leaving it here just for record.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1. In the first output of the second transaction of a block, mining=
 pool will commit a random nonce with an OP_RETURN.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2. Mine as normal. When a block is found, the hash is concatenated =
with the committed random nonce and hashed.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>3. The resulting hash must be smaller than 2 ^ (256 - 1/64) or the =
block is invalid. That means about 1% of blocks are discarded.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>4. For each difficulty retarget, the secondary target is decreased =
by 2 ^ 1/64.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>5. After 546096 blocks or 10 years, the secondary target becomes 2 =
^ 252. Therefore only 1 in 16 hash returned by hasher is really valid. This=
 should make the detection of block withholding attack much easier.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>All miners have to sacrifice 1% reward for 10 years. Confirmation will=
 also be 1% slower than it should be.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If a node (full or SPV) is not updated, it becomes more vulnerable =
as an attacker could mine a chain much faster without following the new =
rules. But this is still a softfork, by definition.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>jl2012's key discovery here is that if we add an invisible difficulty=
 while keeping the retarget algo and bits semantics the same, the visible=
 difficulty will decrease automatically to compensate. In other words, we=
 can artificially increase the block time interval, allowing us to force=
 a lower visible difficulty at the next retarget without changing the retar=
get algo nor the bits semantics. There are no other free parameters we can=
 tweak, so it seems this is really the best we can do.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Unfortunately, this also means longer confirmation times, lower throug=
hput, and lower miner revenue. Note, however, that confirmations would (on=
 average) represent more PoW, so fewer confirmations would be required to=
 achieve the same level of security.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>We can compensate for lower throughput and lower miner revenue by incr=
easing block size and increasing block rewards. Interestingly, it turns =
out we *can* do these things with soft forks by embedding new structures=
 into blocks and nesting their hash trees into existing structures. Ideas=
 such as extension blocks [https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitc=
oin-dev/2015-May/008356.html] have been proposed before...but&nbsp;they =
add&nbsp;significant complications to the protocol and require nontrivial=
 app migration&nbsp;efforts.&nbsp;Old nodes would not get forked off the=
 network but backwards compatibility would still be a problem as they would=
 not be able to see at least some of the transactions and some of the bitco=
ins in blocks. But if we're willing to accept this, even the "sacred" 21=
 million asymptotic limit can be raised via soft fork!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So in conclusion, it *is* possible to fix this attack with a soft fork=
 and without altering the basic economics...but it's almost surely a lot=
 more trouble than it's worth. Luke-Jr's solution is far simpler and more=
 elegant and is perhaps one of the few examples of a new feature (as oppose=
d to merely a structure cleanup) that would be better to deploy as a hard=
 fork since it's simple to implement and seems to stand a reasonable chance=
 of near universal support...and soft fork alternatives are very, very&nbsp=
;ugly and significantly impact system usability...and I think theory tells=
 us we can't do any better.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>- Eric</DIV></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></TT>=
</BODY></HTML>
--------=_MB37047242-D767-40D1-B083-6B0B57E9FB78--