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The de-centralized forum directly integrates the Bitcoin blockchain with every post. I can see how you misunderstood since I wasn't specific in my first email. I'm surprised no one has done this yet, people have done things very similar but never took the leap to integrate the actual Bitcoin blockchain. Basically http://cryptograffiti.info/ but with a parallel program that stores most of the data in a hash reference table, and shares that data via a torrent-esque system.
The Bitcoin of thoughts.
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To: NxtChg <nxtchg@hush.com>
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One last comment here on this topic;
For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication mechanisms in general, they can come to www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms (up until these decentralized forums have become stable and common).
I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I want to make a list of them and would definitely like to contribute to making them not just usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own.
(And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let every user pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let them share their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centralized forums.)
- Sent from my phone
Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev "NxtChg via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>:
>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I nor anyone else will be able to control it.
Zander is working on the same thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/
But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant: both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attack.
>There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin
>and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started.
We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a regular forum.
Roger Ver controls bitcoin.com, as I understand? https://bitcoin.com/forum/ would be nice.
And it must be a real community, not "say whatever you want because free speech". We've seen how that turned out to be.
Something like battle.net or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for opinions, but for spam/noise/insults.
Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is needed is an "official seal of approval" and regular presence of top XT people there.
And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move.
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<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><font face="arial" color="black" size="2"><font size="2">The
de-centralized forum directly integrates the Bitcoin blockchain with
every post. I can see how you misunderstood since I wasn't specific in
my first email. I'm surprised no one has done this yet, people have done
things very similar but never took the leap to integrate the actual
Bitcoin blockchain. Basically <a href="http://cryptograffiti.info/" target="_blank">http://cryptograffiti.info/</a>
but with a parallel program that stores most of the data in a hash
reference table, and shares that data via a torrent-esque system.<br>
<br>
The Bitcoin of thoughts.</font></font>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Natanael <natanael.l@gmail.com><br>
To: NxtChg <nxtchg@hush.com><br>
Cc: bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; hurricanewarn1 <hurricanewarn1@aol.com><br>
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 7:46 am<br>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship<br>
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<div dir="ltr">One last comment here on this topic;</div>
<div dir="ltr">For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication mechanisms in general, they can come to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms">www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms</a> (up until these decentralized forums have become stable and common).</div>
<div dir="ltr">I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I want to make a list of them and would definitely like to contribute to making them not just usable, but good enough to gain popularity on their own. </div>
<div dir="ltr">(And in case you wonder about my approach to moderation: let every user pick which moderators / filters / servers he trusts, and let them share their subscription preferences in place of sharing links to centralized forums.) </div>
<div dir="ltr">- Sent from my phone</div>
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Den 31 aug 2015 10:45 skrev "NxtChg via bitcoin-dev" <
<a target="_blank" href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>>:
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I nor anyone else will be able to control it.
<br>
<br>
Zander is working on the same thing:
<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/">https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/</a>
<br>
<br>
But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant: both in solving the theymos factor and spam/abuse/overloading as an attack.
<br>
<br>
<br>
>There is no doubt that the centralization and censorship of the Bitcoin community is massively inhibiting the advance of Bitcoin
<br>
>and also the growth of the Bitcoin economy. We are scaring away intellectuals, businessman, and newbies that are just getting started.
<br>
<br>
We have /r/bitcoinxt and so far it has been great. But we also need a regular forum.
<br>
<br>
Roger Ver controls
<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://bitcoin.com">bitcoin.com</a>, as I understand?
<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="https://bitcoin.com/forum/">https://bitcoin.com/forum/</a> would be nice.
<br>
<br>
And it must be a real community, not "say whatever you want because free speech". We've seen how that turned out to be.
<br>
<br>
Something like
<a rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" href="http://battle.net">battle.net</a> or Steam forums: heavily moderated, not for opinions, but for spam/noise/insults.
<br>
<br>
Again, this needs leadership. Anyone can install a forum software, what is needed is an "official seal of approval" and regular presence of top XT people there.
<br>
<br>
And a will to setup proper moderation. Then people will move.
<br>
<br>
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