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A WTXID commitment would (likely) need to be a UASF.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> The "UASF movement" seems a bit premature to me - I doubt UASF will be
> necessary if a WTXID commitment is tried first. I think that should be
> first-efforts focus.
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> triggering BIP141 activation, and therefore not enabling the new
>>> consensus rules on already deployed full nodes. BIP148 is making an
>>> explicit choice to favor dragging along those users which have upgraded to
>>> BIP141 support over those miners who have failed to upgrade.
>>>
>>
>> I do not follow the argument that a critical design feature of a
>> particular "user activated soft fork" could be that it is users don't need
>> to be involved. If the goal is user activation I would think that the
>> expectation would be that the overwhelming majority of users would be
>> upgrading to do it, if that isn't the case, then it isn't really a user
>> activated softfork-- it's something else.
>>
>>
>>> On an aside, I'm somewhat disappointed that you have decided to make a
>>> public statement against the UASF proposal. Not because we disagree -- that
>>> is fine -- but because any UASF must be a grassroots effort and
>>> endorsements (or denouncements) detract from that.
>>>
>>
>> So it has to be supported by the public but I can't say why I don't
>> support it? This seems extremely suspect to me.
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A WTXID commitment would (likely) need to be a UASF.<div><=
br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The "UASF movement&q=
uot; seems a bit premature to me - I doubt UASF will be necessary if a WTXI=
D commitment is tried first.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think that should be first-effor=
ts focus.<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Max=
well via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@li=
sts.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoun=
dation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1=
:42 PM, Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@=
lists.linuxfounda<wbr>tion.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><span><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"=
>triggering BIP141 activation, and therefore not enabling the new=20
consensus rules on already deployed full nodes. BIP148 is making an=20
explicit choice to favor dragging along those users which have upgraded=20
to BIP141 support over those miners who have failed to upgrade.<br></span><=
/div></blockquote></div></span><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><div>I do not=
follow the argument that a critical design feature of a particular "u=
ser activated soft fork" could be that it is users don't need to b=
e involved.=C2=A0 If the goal is user activation I would think that the exp=
ectation would be that the overwhelming majority of users would be upgradin=
g to do it, if that isn't the case, then it isn't really a user act=
ivated softfork-- it's something else.<br></div><span><div>=C2=A0</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"background-c=
olor:rgba(255,255,255,0)">On
an aside, I'm somewhat disappointed that you have decided to make a=20
public statement against the UASF proposal. Not because we disagree --=20
that is fine -- but because any UASF must be a grassroots effort and=20
endorsements (or denouncements) detract from that.</span></div></blockquote=
><div><br></div></span><div>So it has to be supported by the public but I c=
an't say why I don't support it? This seems extremely suspect to me=
.</div><br><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>
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