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The NIST Post-Quantum Cryptography competition [1] results should be
published "soon":
https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/g/pqc-forum/c/fvnhyQ25jUg/m/-pYN2nshBgAJ
.
The last reply on that thread promised results by the end of March, but
since that has come and gone, I think it's safe to expect results by the end
of this month (April). FWIW, NTRU and NTRU Prime both made it to round 3 for
the public key encryption/exchange and digital signature categories, but
both of them seem to be mired in some sort of patent controversy atm...
-- Laolu
[1]: https://csrc.nist.gov/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:36 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> First step could be just implementing a similar address type
> (secp26k1+NTRU) and associated validation as a soft fork
>
> https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html#9.0
>
> Then people can opt-in to quantum safe addresses
>
> Still should work with schnorr and other things
>
> It's a lot of work to fold this in and it's a some extra validation work
> for nodes
>
> Adding a fee premium for using these addresses in order to address that
> concern seems reasonable
>
> I'm not saying I endorse any action at all. Personally I think this is
> putting the cart like six and a half miles in front of the horse.
>
> But if there's a lot of people that are like yeah please do this, I'd be
> happy to make an NTRU bip or something.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The NIST Post-Quantum Cryptography competition [1] results=
should be<br>published "soon":<br><a href=3D"https://groups.goog=
le.com/a/list.nist.gov/g/pqc-forum/c/fvnhyQ25jUg/m/-pYN2nshBgAJ">https://gr=
oups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/g/pqc-forum/c/fvnhyQ25jUg/m/-pYN2nshBgAJ</a=
>.<br><br><div>The last reply on that thread promised results by the end of=
March, but<br>since that has come and gone, I think it's safe to expec=
t results by the end<br>of this month (April). FWIW, NTRU and NTRU Prime bo=
th made it to round 3 for<br>the public key encryption/exchange and digital=
signature categories, but<br>both of them seem to be mired in some sort of=
patent controversy atm...<br><br>-- Laolu<br><br>[1]: <a href=3D"https://c=
src.nist.gov/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography">https://csrc.nist.gov/Proj=
ects/post-quantum-cryptography</a><br><div></div></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 =
at 5:36 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@=
lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">First step could be just implementing a similar ad=
dress type (secp26k1+NTRU) and associated validation as a soft fork=C2=A0</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><a href=3D"https://www.openssh.com/releasen=
otes.html#9.0" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.openssh.com=
/releasenotes.html#9.0</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The=
n people can opt-in to quantum safe addresses</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Still should work with schnorr and other things</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It's a lot of work to fol=
d this in and it's a some extra validation work for nodes</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Adding a fee premium for using these =
addresses in order to address that concern seems reasonable</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I'm not saying I endorse any acti=
on at all.=C2=A0 Personally I think this is putting the cart like six and a=
half miles in front of the horse.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">But if there's a lot of people that are like yeah please do =
this, I'd be happy to make an NTRU bip or something.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div>
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