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Well zombie txns aside,  I expect this to be resolved w/ a client side
implementation using a Merkle-Winternitz OTS in order to prevent the loss
of fee structure theougth the implementation of a this security hash that
eill alloow for a one-wya transaction to conitnue, according to the TESLA
protocol.

We can then tally what is needed to compute tteh number of bit desginated
for teh completion og the client-side signature if discussin the
construcitons of a a DH key (instead of the BIP X509 protocol)





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>    1. Re: Block Size Increase (Mark Friedenbach)
>    2. Softfork signaling improvements (Douglas Roark)
>    3. Re: Block Size Increase (Mark Friedenbach)
>    4. Re: Block Size Increase (Raystonn) (Damian Gomez)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
> To: Raystonn <raystonn@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 13:55:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase
> The problems with that are larger than time being unreliable. It is no
> longer reorg-safe as transactions can expire in the course of a reorg and
> any transaction built on the now expired transaction is invalidated.
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Raystonn <raystonn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Replace by fee is what I was referencing.  End-users interpret the old
>> transaction as expired.  Hence the nomenclature.  An alternative is a new
>> feature that operates in the reverse of time lock, expiring a transaction
>> after a specific time.  But time is a bit unreliable in the blockchain
>>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Douglas Roark <doug@bitcoinarmory.com>
> To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:27:26 -0400
> Subject: [Bitcoin-development] Softfork signaling improvements
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> Hello. I've seen Greg make a couple of posts online
> (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033396.msg11155302#msg11155302
> is one such example) where he has mentioned that Pieter has a new
> proposal for allowing multiple softforks to be deployed at the same
> time. As discussed in the thread I linked, the idea seems simple
> enough. Still, I'm curious if the actual proposal has been posted
> anywhere. I spent a few minutes searching the usual suspects (this
> mailing list, Reddit, Bitcointalk, IRC logs, BIPs) and can't find
> anything.
>
> Thanks.
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
> To: "Raystonn ." <raystonn@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 13:40:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase
> Transactions don't expire. But if the wallet is online, it can
> periodically choose to release an already created transaction with a higher
> fee. This requires replace-by-fee to be sufficiently deployed, however.
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Raystonn . <raystonn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a proposal for wallets such as yours.  How about creating all
>> transactions with an expiration time starting with a low fee, then
>> replacing with new transactions that have a higher fee as time passes.
>> Users can pick the fee curve they desire based on the transaction priority
>> they want to advertise to the network.  Users set the priority in the
>> wallet, and the wallet software translates it to a specific fee curve used
>> in the series of expiring transactions.  In this manner, transactions are
>> never left hanging for days, and probably not even for hours.
>>
>> -Raystonn
>>  On 8 May 2015 1:17 pm, Aaron Voisine <voisine@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As the author of a popular SPV wallet, I wanted to weigh in, in support
>> of the Gavin's 20Mb block proposal.
>>
>> The best argument I've heard against raising the limit is that we need
>> fee pressure.  I agree that fee pressure is the right way to economize on
>> scarce resources. Placing hard limits on block size however is an
>> incredibly disruptive way to go about this, and will severely negatively
>> impact users' experience.
>>
>> When users pay too low a fee, they should:
>>
>> 1) See immediate failure as they do now with fees that fail to propagate.
>>
>> 2) If the fee lower than it should be but not terminal, they should see
>> degraded performance, long delays in confirmation, but eventual success.
>> This will encourage them to pay higher fees in future.
>>
>> The worst of all worlds would be to have transactions propagate, hang in
>> limbo for days, and then fail. This is the most important scenario to
>> avoid. Increasing the 1Mb block size limit I think is the simplest way to
>> avoid this least desirable scenario for the immediate future.
>>
>> We can play around with improved transaction selection for blocks and
>> encourage miners to adopt it to discourage low fees and create fee
>> pressure. These could involve hybrid priority/fee selection so low fee
>> transactions see degraded performance instead of failure. This would be the
>> conservative low risk approach.
>>
>> Aaron Voisine
>> co-founder and CEO
>> breadwallet.com
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Damian Gomez <dgomez1092@gmail.com>
> To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:04:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase (Raystonn)
> Hello,
>
> I was reading some of the thread but can't say I read the entire thing.
>
> I think that it is realistic to cinsider a nlock sixe of 20MB for any
> block txn to occur. THis is an enormous amount of data (relatively for a
> netwkrk) in which the avergage rate of 10tps over 10 miniutes would allow
> for fewasible transformation of data at this curent point in time.
>
> Though I do not see what extra hash information would be stored in the
> overall ecosystem as we begin to describe what the scripts that are
> atacrhed tp the blockchain would carry,
>
> I'd therefore think that for the remainder of this year that it is
> possible to have a block chain within 200 - 300 bytes that is more
> charatereistic of some feasible attempts at attaching nuanced data in order
> to keep propliifc the blockchain but have these identifiers be integral
> OPSIg of the the entiore block. THe reasoning behind this has to do with
> encryption standards that can be added toe a chain such as th DH algoritnm
> keys that would allow for a higher integrity level withinin the system as
> it is. Cutrent;y tyh prootocl oomnly controls for the amount of
> transactions through if TxnOut script and the publin key coming form teh
> lcoation of the proof-of-work. Form this then I think that a rate of higher
> than then current standard of 92bytes allows for GPUS ie CUDA to perfirm
> its standard operations of  1216 flops   in rde rto mechanize a new
> personal identity within the chain that also attaches an encrypted instance
> of a further categorical variable that we can prsribved to it.
>
> I think with the current BIP7 prootclol for transactions there is an area
> of vulnerability for man-in-the-middle attacks upon request of  bitcin to
> any merchant as is. It would contraidct the security of the bitcoin if it
> was intereceptefd iand not allowed to reach tthe payment network or if the
> hash was reveresed in orfr to change the value it had. Therefore the
> current best fit block size today is between 200 - 300 bytws (depending on
> how exciteed we get)
>
>
>
> Thanks for letting me join the conversation
> I welcomes any vhalleneged and will reply with more research as i figure
> out what problems are revealed in my current formation of thoughts (sorry
> for the errors but i am just trying to move forward ---> THE DELRERT KEY
> LITERALLY PREVENTS IT )
>
>
> _Damian
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Raystonn <raystonn@hotmail.com>
> To: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
> Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:01:28 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase
>
> Replace by fee is the better approach.  It will ultimately replace zombie
> transactions (due to insufficient fee) with potentially much higher fees as
> the feature takes hold in wallets throughout the network, and fee
> competition increases.  However, this does not fix the problem of low tps.
> In fact, as blocks fill it could make the problem worse.  This feature
> means more transactions after all.  So I would expect huge fee spikes, or a
> return to zombie transactions if fee caps are implemented by wallets.
>
> -Raystonn
>  On 8 May 2015 1:55 pm, Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org> wrote:
>
> The problems with that are larger than time being unreliable. It is no
> longer reorg-safe as transactions can expire in the course of a reorg and
> any transaction built on the now expired transaction is invalidated.
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Raystonn <raystonn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Replace by fee is what I was referencing.  End-users interpret the old
> transaction as expired.  Hence the nomenclature.  An alternative is a new
> feature that operates in the reverse of time lock, expiring a transaction
> after a specific time.  But time is a bit unreliable in the blockchain
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Well zombie txns aside, =C2=A0I expect this to be=
 resolved w/ a client side implementation using a Merkle-Winternitz OTS in =
order to prevent the loss of fee structure theougth the implementation of a=
 this security hash that eill alloow for a one-wya transaction to conitnue,=
 according to the TESLA protocol. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>We can th=
en tally what is needed to compute tteh number of bit desginated for teh co=
mpletion og the client-side signature if discussin the construcitons of a a=
 DH key (instead of the BIP X509 protocol) =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. Re: Block Size Increase (Mark Friedenbach)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Softfork signaling improvements (Douglas Roark)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A03. Re: Block Size Increase (Mark Friedenbach)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A04. Re: Block Size Increase (Raystonn) (Damian Gomez)<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A05. Re: Block Size Increase (Raystonn)<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Mark Friedenb=
ach &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@friedenbach.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@frie=
denbach.org</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0Raystonn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raystonn@hot=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">raystonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc:=C2=A0Bitcoi=
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Date:=C2=A0Fri, 8 May 2015 13:55:30 -0700<br>Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Bitcoin-dev=
elopment] Block Size Increase<br><div dir=3D"ltr">The problems with that ar=
e larger than time being unreliable. It is no longer reorg-safe as transact=
ions can expire in the course of a reorg and any transaction built on the n=
ow expired transaction is invalidated.<br><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Raystonn <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raystonn@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
>raystonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">Replace by fee is what I was referencing.=C2=A0 End-users interpret the =
old transaction as expired.=C2=A0 Hence the nomenclature.=C2=A0 An alternat=
ive is a new feature that operates in the reverse of time lock, expiring a =
transaction after a specific time.=C2=A0 But time is a bit unreliable in th=
e blockchain<br></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Douglas Roark=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:doug@bitcoinarmory.com" target=3D"_blank">doug@bitco=
inarmory.com</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0Bitcoin Dev &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-=
development@lists.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-development@li=
sts.sourceforge.net</a>&gt;<br>Cc:=C2=A0<br>Date:=C2=A0Fri, 8 May 2015 15:2=
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Hello. I&#39;ve seen Greg make a couple of posts online<br>
(<a href=3D"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D1033396.msg11155302#m=
sg11155302" target=3D"_blank">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D103=
3396.msg11155302#msg11155302</a><br>
is one such example) where he has mentioned that Pieter has a new<br>
proposal for allowing multiple softforks to be deployed at the same<br>
time. As discussed in the thread I linked, the idea seems simple<br>
enough. Still, I&#39;m curious if the actual proposal has been posted<br>
anywhere. I spent a few minutes searching the usual suspects (this<br>
mailing list, Reddit, Bitcointalk, IRC logs, BIPs) and can&#39;t find<br>
anything.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Mark Friedenb=
ach &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@friedenbach.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@frie=
denbach.org</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0&quot;Raystonn .&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:raystonn@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raystonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>C=
c:=C2=A0Bitcoin Development &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists=
.sourceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.n=
et</a>&gt;<br>Date:=C2=A0Fri, 8 May 2015 13:40:50 -0700<br>Subject:=C2=A0Re=
: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase<br><div dir=3D"ltr">Transaction=
s don&#39;t expire. But if the wallet is online, it can periodically choose=
 to release an already created transaction with a higher fee. This requires=
 replace-by-fee to be sufficiently deployed, however.<br><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:38 PM=
, Raystonn . <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:raystonn@hotmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">raystonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">I have a proposal for wallets such as yo=
urs.=C2=A0 How about creating all transactions with an expiration time star=
ting with a low fee, then replacing with new transactions that have a highe=
r fee as time passes.=C2=A0 Users can pick the fee curve they desire based =
on the transaction priority they want to advertise to the network.=C2=A0 Us=
ers set the priority in the wallet, and the wallet software translates it t=
o a specific fee curve used in the series of expiring transactions.=C2=A0 I=
n this manner, transactions are never left hanging for days, and probably n=
ot even for hours.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-Raystonn<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 May 2015 1:17 pm, Aaron Voisine &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:voisine@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">voisine@gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">As the author of a =
popular SPV wallet, I wanted to weigh in, in support of the Gavin&#39;s 20M=
b block proposal.<div><br></div><div>The best argument I&#39;ve heard again=
st raising the limit is that we need fee pressure.=C2=A0 I agree that fee p=
ressure is the right way to economize on scarce resources. Placing hard lim=
its on block size however is an incredibly disruptive way to go about this,=
 and will severely negatively impact users&#39; experience.<br><div><br></d=
iv><div>When users pay too low a fee, they should:</div><div><br></div><div=
>1) See immediate failure as they do now with fees that fail to propagate.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>2) If the fee lower than it should be but not term=
inal, they should see degraded performance, long delays in confirmation, bu=
t eventual success. This will encourage them to pay higher fees in future.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>The worst of all worlds would be to have transacti=
ons propagate, hang in limbo for days, and then fail. This is the most impo=
rtant scenario to avoid. Increasing the 1Mb block size limit I think is the=
 simplest way to avoid this least desirable scenario for the immediate futu=
re.</div><div><br></div><div>We can play around with improved transaction s=
election for blocks and encourage miners to adopt it to discourage low fees=
 and create fee pressure. These could involve hybrid priority/fee selection=
 so low fee transactions see degraded performance instead of failure. This =
would be the conservative low risk approach.</div><div><br><div><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Aaron Voisine</div><div>co-founder an=
d CEO<br><a href=3D"http://breadwallet.com" target=3D"_blank">breadwallet.c=
om</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Damian Gomez =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dgomez1092@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dgomez1092@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sou=
rceforge.net" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</=
a><br>Cc:=C2=A0<br>Date:=C2=A0Fri, 8 May 2015 14:04:10 -0700<br>Subject:=C2=
=A0Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase (Raystonn)<br><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Hello,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I was reading some of the thread but c=
an&#39;t say I read the entire thing.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I thin=
k that it is realistic to cinsider a nlock sixe of 20MB for any block txn t=
o occur. THis is an enormous amount of data (relatively for a netwkrk) in w=
hich the avergage rate of 10tps over 10 miniutes would allow for fewasible =
transformation of data at this curent point in time.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Though I do not see what extra hash information would be stored in the o=
verall ecosystem as we begin to describe what the scripts that are atacrhed=
 tp the blockchain would carry,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d ther=
efore think that for the remainder of this year that it is possible to have=
 a block chain within 200 - 300 bytes that is more charatereistic of some f=
easible attempts at attaching nuanced data in order to keep propliifc the b=
lockchain but have these identifiers be integral OPSIg of the the entiore b=
lock. THe reasoning behind this has to do with encryption standards that ca=
n be added toe a chain such as th DH algoritnm keys that would allow for a =
higher integrity level withinin the system as it is. Cutrent;y tyh prootocl=
 oomnly controls for the amount of transactions through if TxnOut script an=
d the publin key coming form teh lcoation of the proof-of-work. Form this t=
hen I think that a rate of higher than then current standard of 92bytes all=
ows for GPUS ie CUDA to perfirm its standard operations of =C2=A01216 flops=
 =C2=A0 in rde rto mechanize a new personal identity within the chain that =
also attaches an encrypted instance of a further categorical variable that =
we can prsribved to it.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I think with the cur=
rent BIP7 prootclol for transactions there is an area of vulnerability for =
man-in-the-middle attacks upon request of =C2=A0bitcin to any merchant as i=
s. It would contraidct the security of the bitcoin if it was intereceptefd =
iand not allowed to reach tthe payment network or if the hash was reveresed=
 in orfr to change the value it had. Therefore the current best fit block s=
ize today is between 200 - 300 bytws (depending on how exciteed we get)</di=
v><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for letting me j=
oin the conversation</div><div>I welcomes any vhalleneged and will reply wi=
th more research as i figure out what problems are revealed in my current f=
ormation of thoughts (sorry for the errors but i am just trying to move for=
ward ---&gt; THE DELRERT KEY LITERALLY PREVENTS IT )</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>_Damian</div></div>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:=C2=A0Raystonn &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:raystonn@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raystonn@hotmail.=
com</a>&gt;<br>To:=C2=A0Mark Friedenbach &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@frieden=
bach.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@friedenbach.org</a>&gt;<br>Cc:=C2=A0Bitcoi=
n Development &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net</a>&gt;<br>=
Date:=C2=A0Fri, 8 May 2015 14:01:28 -0700<br>Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Bitcoin-dev=
elopment] Block Size Increase<br><p dir=3D"ltr">Replace by fee is the bette=
r approach.=C2=A0 It will ultimately replace zombie transactions (due to in=
sufficient fee) with potentially much higher fees as the feature takes hold=
 in wallets throughout the network, and fee competition increases.=C2=A0 Ho=
wever, this does not fix the problem of low tps.=C2=A0 In fact, as blocks f=
ill it could make the problem worse.=C2=A0 This feature means more transact=
ions after all.=C2=A0 So I would expect huge fee spikes, or a return to zom=
bie transactions if fee caps are implemented by wallets.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">-Raystonn<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 May 2015 1:55 pm, Mark Friedenbach &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mark@friedenbach.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@friedenbach.org<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">The proble=
ms with that are larger than time being unreliable. It is no longer reorg-s=
afe as transactions can expire in the course of a reorg and any transaction=
 built on the now expired transaction is invalidated.<br><div><div><br><div=
>On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Raystonn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:raystonn@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">raystonn@hotmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Replace by fee is what I was referencing.=C2=A0=
 End-users interpret the old transaction as expired.=C2=A0 Hence the nomenc=
lature.=C2=A0 An alternative is a new feature that operates in the reverse =
of time lock, expiring a transaction after a specific time.=C2=A0 But time =
is a bit unreliable in the blockchain<br></blockquote></div></div></div></d=
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