summaryrefslogtreecommitdiff
path: root/9d/5385db45ec5129a98c244d1f70da6121b981ac
blob: dd2fb72ec803d093c3d6bc038a8320c7e38ffd55 (plain)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
Return-Path: <nothingmuch@woobling.org>
Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137])
 by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DDBC0001
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60984F01D
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.201
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5
 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1,
 DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,
 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new);
 dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=woobling.org
Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1])
 by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id cbBPww_G6dC6
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:40:07 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0
Received: from mail-oi1-f181.google.com (mail-oi1-f181.google.com
 [209.85.167.181])
 by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2B004F003
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:40:07 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-oi1-f181.google.com with SMTP id z126so13971578oiz.6
 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:40:07 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=woobling.org; s=google;
 h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to
 :content-transfer-encoding;
 bh=alpCL44/B/BBCvreZR+/uED8ZI0B297IO5ufYttyk4Y=;
 b=Hi6SwrdS5ZjOTLdeQZrK/z4HguRyjx7IA+kClXPALpipt0XoOyH3QJfhclF1MNBPGj
 Dyy0eFtb8BgEcysCA3DjWKzA2X5sUlX3uIZjPSQPAohseuBS8NbQXUdByuvblLSGxFkD
 hGBOynxfNSvolg2fklBRdo31Mr97OGI5v9Z4M=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
 h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date
 :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding;
 bh=alpCL44/B/BBCvreZR+/uED8ZI0B297IO5ufYttyk4Y=;
 b=KpVpCPhAu5w/dc4ME3m+/8xmKfovI0mVqQ7APUpZaWIoIoY4im3bq/+iR5b10yXXB3
 Ghd8Pd3NUWEkqZBocwmxjrTgC8i9vKv49kvcJISHyKfZ5cC9gPY/WarqoihoG0sGgX5x
 48pku4tFySZm3fKAol7BMEGL40+Kha6yOqa35z1joXJ8D26CGbru8+6agcKKvwS0bsgA
 kqsGQzzImHgr4/mQrMcQVHoB62zr23CHzowLbS47NbX5l5JbuZ+ZR7ovjnw2sovmXVzw
 ksVI4eHJ6UopAfI0EgIAgTTYozKRhHAU/omWaJztiYtJrPNSVcLRUvmrIP6OeOpf3crJ
 bPWA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531SznVjdDqrRI1dDoFsyaWgPIi313p7C0OEPR+9tzZqQR9NGz9S
 1UOaYanoouiKe46nM6KuRHmbRrIkeRj6D/EVtYiGSPeQ3G27kO70
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzIPwHUnf0tUOpg3zZQob2gXYQ/O7QsbvamhHDx1Pn7voZ+SaEkFU36R60WKikv0cXlKnmub5jF+tzC1x+GO4o=
X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:517:: with SMTP id
 h23mr9961085pjh.108.1614463800841; 
 Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:10:00 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <CALeFGL1WSSA69ARvJW3di-UC_gz7NV9q7=6zd7s=CHnmttdQFg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CALeFGL1WSSA69ARvJW3di-UC_gz7NV9q7=6zd7s=CHnmttdQFg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch@woobling.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:09:48 +0000
Message-ID: <CAAQdECD=G_UV+GBB7365iVdvLduRYcFe_G1i_eZCbLqCVpaO5w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Keagan McClelland <keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com>, 
 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:49:03 +0000
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A design for Probabilistic Partial Pruning
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, 
 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, 
 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 22:40:09 -0000

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 at 20:57, Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> The goals are to increase data redundancy in a way that more uniformly sh=
ares the load across nodes, alleviating some of the pressure of full archiv=
e nodes on the IBD problem. I am working on a draft BIP for this proposal b=
ut figured I would submit it as a high level idea in case anyone had any fe=
edback on the initial design before I go into specification levels of detai=
l.

You might be interested in an approach (henceforth "SeF") by Swanand
Kadhe, Jichan Chung and Kannan Ramchandran which employs fountain
codes, presented at Scaling Bitcoin 2019:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.12140

From a cursory search it appears there is quite a bit of
related/followup work as well.

The simplest fountain code, the Luby Transform (applied in this work)
the encoder divides a message into smaller chunks, and then constructs
an infinite stream of codewords which are XORs of d randomly selected
chunks where d is sampled from the robust soliton distribution. The
simplest decoder simply XORs new k=3D1 codewords from the relevant k>1
codewords, and the full message can be recovered with overwhelming
probability and in linear time with a sufficiently large random sample
of codewords from the encoded stream. Note that the decoder must know
which chunks went into a codeword, but this is usually addressed using
pseudorandomness, which has other motivations in an adversarial
setting.

In SeF, the general idea is that "droplet nodes" are pruning nodes
which retain some number (equivalent to your threshold parameter) of
codewords from the encoding concatenated blocks (to obtain a fixed
message size), and serve these to compatible clients. This is more
robust than retaining a random sample of blocks, and also performs
well according to their simulations.

Even if this paper is not directly applicable to your efforts, the
theory of fountain codes should be of interest (many variants exist),
and there is work on fountain codes. There is also some work on
fountain codes in an adversarial setting (Falcon codes) but I'm only
vaguely familiar with it, and if i'm not mistaken most of the
considerations are either already implicitly addressed by the Bitcoin
protocol or explicitly addressed in the SeF paper, whose results also
take into account malicious droplet nodes.