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While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at=20
once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the=20
nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual=20
objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objections=20
to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share=20
their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed=20
by many others.

Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current=20
counts are:
* Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
* Murch - 13 for
* Jonatack - 13 for
* Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
* Roasbeef - 9 for
* Michael Folkson - none

However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and=20
require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process=20
be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by=20
achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of=20
these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who=20
have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list=20
seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone really=20
wants to deal with.

I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted=20
on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached out=20
to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and=20
Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public=20
confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not=20
received a response from Roasbeef.

Ava

On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>  > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so=20
> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group=20
> majority.
>=20
> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having=20
> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which people=
=20
> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up=20
> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not=20
> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up=20
> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from=20
> their expectations.
>=20
> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and=20
> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we need=
=20
> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking off)=
.
>=20
> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.=20
> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their track=
=20
> record in the space
>=20
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail.com=20
> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>> wrote:
>=20
> +1 for
> Kanzure
> RubenSomsen
> Seccour
> Jon Atack
> Roasbeef
>=20
> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
> majority.
>=20
> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>=20
> I'd like to return to that.
>=20
> - NVK (temp gmail account)
>=20
>     On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. Harding=
 wrote:
>=20
>         On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>          > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "I
>         like Bob!".
>=20
>         Using only comments from the mailing list, the following appears
>         to be
>         the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisks deno=
te
>         candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the role.
>=20
>         - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>         Stewart[3],
>         Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon
>         Black[11],
>         Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>         Carvalho[16]
>=20
>         - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3],
>         Michael
>         Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], Jo=
hn
>         Carvalho[16]
>=20
>         - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[3],
>         /dev/fd0[5][7],
>         Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
>         Carvalho[16]
>=20
>         - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
>         Stewart[3], John
>         C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoine
>         Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>=20
>         - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6], Keaga=
n
>         McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
>         Riard[12],
>         Ava Chow[14]
>=20
>         - Michael Folkson*
>=20
>         Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
>         "non-dev
>         triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", and
>         Antoine
>         Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>=20
>         I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the above
>         candidates had been especially active there, which is listed
>         below as:
>         total PRs they commented on (number still open/number closed).
>=20
>         - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>         - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>         - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>         - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>         - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>         - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>=20
>         I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set to
>         have a
>         merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there are
>         far-along
>         draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
>         Payments). I
>         don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>         demonstrates
>         familiarity with the process.
>=20
>         Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates above wit=
h
>         multiple recommendations from other community participants are
>         fully
>         qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
>         justification
>         for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not only a
>         longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as Coral=
lo
>         mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology through a
>         draft
>         BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review of
>         all 300
>         pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
>         reviewed
>         drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>         significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility of the
>         documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work we'd
>         ask him
>         to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's already
>         doing,
>         so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>=20
>         -Dave
>=20
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f2@mattcorallo.com/>
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>         [12]
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>         [14]
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