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"What is the process to have someone do the PR for this? Or I do it and
most likely it will be a very shxtty one since I am not a C/C++ expert,
then wasting the time of everybody
It's urgently required, I did consider OP_RETURN as a dart in the past
but changed my mind, it's adapted to the current evolutions, not
flooding bitcoin with 2 txs while only 1 is needed
If not the best 1 tx solution is super simple: store in addresses, and
super bad at the end because burning bitcoins, while still not expensive
if you don't need to store big things"
Le 05/02/2023 =E0 19:12, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev a =E9crit :
>
>
> On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, <pete@petertodd.org
> <mailto:pete@petertodd.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor via
> bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the script
> pubkey,
> >there is a crossover point in data size where it will simply be
> cheaper to
> >use witness data. Where that crossover point is depends on the fi=
ner
> >details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could make som=
e
> >reasonable assumptions. Such a calculation could form the basis o=
f a
> >reasonable OP_RETURN proposal. I don't know if it would be
> persuasive, but
> >it would at least be coherent.
>
> I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to
> carefully argue a specific limit. Let users decide for themselves
> how they want to use OpReturn.
>
>
> Even better.
>
>
>
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"What is the process to have someone do the PR for this? Or I do
it and most likely it will be a very shxtty one since I am not a
C/C++ expert, then wasting the time of everybody<br>
<br>
It's urgently required, I did consider OP_RETURN as a dart in the
past but changed my mind, it's adapted to the current evolutions,
not flooding bitcoin with 2 txs while only 1 is needed<br>
<br>
If not the best 1 tx solution is super simple: store in addresses,
and super bad at the end because burning bitcoins, while still not
expensive if you don't need to store big things"<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 05/02/2023 à 19:12, Russell O'Connor
via bitcoin-dev a écrit :<br>
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21:01 Peter Todd, <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pete@petertodd.org">pete@petertodd.org</a>>
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On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor
via bitcoin-dev <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
>Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in
the script pubkey,<br>
>there is a crossover point in data size where it will
simply be cheaper to<br>
>use witness data. Where that crossover point is
depends on the finer<br>
>details of the overhead of the two methods, but you
could make some<br>
>reasonable assumptions. Such a calculation could form
the basis of a<br>
>reasonable OP_RETURN proposal. I don't know if it
would be persuasive, but<br>
>it would at least be coherent.<br>
<br>
I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying
to carefully argue a specific limit. Let users decide for
themselves how they want to use OpReturn.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Even better.</div>
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