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The BIP has been updated.
Changes:
- The technical spec has been improved: now the block size increase is
specified in terms of weight and not in terms of bytes.
- The increase in the maximum block sigops after HF has been documented.
- Comments added about the worst case block size.
Happy weekend! And don't forget to start signaling something before block
475776 ! It's just 90 blocks away.
Bit 1 or 4,1 or whatever you wish, but please signal something.
To the moon!
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 12 Jul 2017 2:31 pm, "Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev" <bitcoin-dev@lists.
> linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Monday, 10 July 2017 20:38:08 CEST Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev wr=
ote:
> > I think anything less than 1 year after release of tested code by some
> > implementation would be irresponsible for any hardfork, even a very
> > simple one.
>
> Good news!
>
> Code to support 2x (the hard fork part of the proposal) has been out and
> tested for much longer than that.
>
>
> Not true. It's different code on top of segwit. The first attempt in btc1
> (very recent) didn't even increased the size (because it changed the
> meaningless "base size" without touching the weight limit. As for the
> current code, I don't think it has been properly tested today, let alone
> "for mucj longer than 1 year.
> Anyway, I said, one year from tested release. Segwitx2 hasn't been
> released, has it? If so, too late to discuss a bip imo, the bip may end u=
p
> being different from what has been released due to feedback (unless it is
> ignored again, of course).
>
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The BIP has been updated.<div><br></div><div>Changes:<br><=
div>- The technical spec has been improved: now the block size increase is =
specified in terms of weight and not in terms of bytes.</div><div>- The inc=
rease in the maximum block sigops after HF has been documented.</div><div>-=
Comments added about the worst case block size.</div><div><br></div><div>H=
appy weekend! And don't forget to start signaling something before bloc=
k 475776 !=C2=A0 It's just 90 blocks away.</div><div>Bit 1 or 4,1 or wh=
atever you wish, but please signal something.</div><div><br></div><div>To t=
he moon!</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Jorge Tim=C3=B3n v=
ia bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.li=
nuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org<=
/a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span class=3D""><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On 12 Jul 2017 2:31 pm, "Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev" <=
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blank">=
bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attrib=
ution"><blockquote class=3D"m_7641680335976316197quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"m_764168=
0335976316197quoted-text">On Monday, 10 July 2017 20:38:08 CEST Jorge Tim=
=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
> I think anything less than 1 year after release of tested code by some=
<br>
> implementation would be irresponsible for any hardfork, even a very<br=
>
> simple one.<br>
<br>
</div>Good news!<br>
<br>
Code to support 2x (the hard fork part of the proposal) has been out and<br=
>
tested for much longer than that.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div></span><div dir=3D"auto">Not true. It's different =
code on top of segwit. The first attempt in btc1 (very recent) didn't e=
ven increased the size (because it changed the meaningless "base size&=
quot; without touching the weight limit. As for the current code, I don'=
;t think it has been properly tested today, let alone "for mucj longer=
than 1 year.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Anyway, I said, one year from tested r=
elease. Segwitx2 hasn't been released, has it? If so, too late to discu=
ss a bip imo, the bip may end up being different from what has been release=
d due to feedback (unless it is ignored again, of course).</div><span class=
=3D""><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"m_7641680335976316197quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Tom Zander<br>
Blog: <a href=3D"https://zander.github.io" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://zander.github.io</a><br>
Vlog: <a href=3D"https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://vimeo.com/channels/tom<wbr>scryptochannel<=
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