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You keep making moral judgements. Reality is, if you live in a world with
arsonists, you need to have a building that won't catch on fire, or has
fire extinguishers in place. Do not depend on arsonists ignoring you
forever as your security model. Penetration testing to know what
weaknesses exist, what limitations exist, and what can be improved is
essential. Keeping your head in the sand and hoping people choose to do
the right thing only ends one way.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Justus Ranvier <justusranvier@riseup.net>
wrote:
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> > Nothing will stop that. Bitcoin needs to deal with those issues,
> > not stick our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist out of
> > benevolence. This isn't a pet solution, but the rules of the
> > protocol and what is realistically possible given the nature of
> > distributed consensus. Relying on altruism is a recipe for
> > failure.
>
> If there's a risk of fire burning down wooden buildings, pass out fire
> extinguishers and smoke detectors, not matches.
>
> The latter makes one an arsonist.
>
> - --
> Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.
> Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakOKJFtB-k
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You keep making moral judgements.=C2=A0 Reality is, if you=
live in a world with arsonists, you need to have a building that won't=
catch on fire, or has fire extinguishers in place.=C2=A0 Do not depend on =
arsonists ignoring you forever as your security model.=C2=A0 Penetration te=
sting to know what weaknesses exist, what limitations exist, and what can b=
e improved is essential.=C2=A0 Keeping your head in the sand and hoping peo=
ple choose to do the right thing only ends one way.</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ju=
stus Ranvier <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:justusranvier@riseup.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">justusranvier@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><bl=
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</span><span class=3D"">On 02/12/2015 07:47 PM, Allen Piscitello wrote:<br>
> Nothing will stop that.=C2=A0 Bitcoin needs to deal with those issues,=
<br>
> not stick our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist out o=
f<br>
> benevolence. This isn't a pet solution, but the rules of the<br>
> protocol and what is realistically possible given the nature of<br>
> distributed consensus.=C2=A0 Relying on altruism is a recipe for<br>
> failure.<br>
<br>
</span>If there's a risk of fire burning down wooden buildings, pass ou=
t fire<br>
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not matches.<br>
<br>
The latter makes one an arsonist.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
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