1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
|
Return-Path: <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch>
Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133])
by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7CBC0032
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:20 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24A240B22
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org F24A240B22
Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org;
dkim=pass (4096-bit key) header.d=opengroupware.ch header.i=@opengroupware.ch
header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=dkim20160331 header.b=EY9FQrFV
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.601
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1,
DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,
SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1])
by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
with ESMTP id knzkXlZs7cGS
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:15 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: delayed 507 seconds by postgrey-1.37 at util1.osuosl.org;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:14 UTC
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 75FB140B25
Received: from mx.kolabnow.com (mx.kolabnow.com [212.103.80.155])
by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75FB140B25
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1])
by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F34302338A
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:45 +0100 (CET)
Authentication-Results: ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com (amavis);
dkim=pass (4096-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)"
header.d=opengroupware.ch
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=
opengroupware.ch; h=mime-version:date:date:content-type
:content-type:references:in-reply-to:from:from:subject:subject
:message-id:received:received:received; s=dkim20160331; t=
1699887944; x=1701702345; bh=OLZrmiSrI/wpZNeLQfmf799+58ePPFrscYI
fykUD+gM=; b=EY9FQrFV0C5HkdgPb8Nri6ygQBDbscnEePodetTSwf/MmskNBBY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X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mykolab.com
Received: from mx.kolabnow.com ([127.0.0.1])
by localhost (ext-mx-out013.mykolab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024)
with ESMTP id liXpDJ-8G6A0 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:44 +0100 (CET)
Received: from int-mx009.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.13.9])
by mx.kolabnow.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50690300D372
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:43 +0100 (CET)
Received: from ext-subm010.mykolab.com (unknown [10.9.6.10])
by int-mx009.mykolab.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59BDC20D8CE6
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:05:43 +0100 (CET)
Message-ID: <8abf319929b0a729eab5ad4659727ff250e10efd.camel@opengroupware.ch>
From: Overthefalls <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch>
To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
In-Reply-To: <CABaSBaz9OTSVa1KNk0GOrH3T-kRF_7OPVu0AtpuaFGVB=zhdwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABaSBaz9OTSVa1KNk0GOrH3T-kRF_7OPVu0AtpuaFGVB=zhdwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31"
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:05:38 -0600
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:40:54 +0000
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Future of the bitcoin-dev mailing list
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 15:14:20 -0000
--=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote:
Google Groups is another interesting option,
I don't think I'm the only person on this list that is strongly opposed
to using google for anything. They are too big and they have their hand
in everything, and their eyes (and analytics) on everything.
I remember when there were virtually no gmail email addresses that
posted to this list. Suddenly in 2020 or 2021, we had an influx of
gmail subscribers and posters. That didn't escape me then and it is not
lost on me now.
Email is great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that
everyone gets a copy of the data, there is no single central authority
that can edit emails once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive
email messages, they can generally store or publish the data anywhere
they like. That is not the case with web forum content.
I like the lightning anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to
finally adopt lightning, and it would, I'm sure, produce some
interesting results for the list.
I don't think email should be out of the question. Does anyone besides
kanzure@gmail.com think that sticking with email is out of the
question?
Let's do what's necessary to stick with email.
--=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31
Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html dir=3D"ltr"><head></head><body style=3D"text-align:left; direction:lt=
r;"><div>On Tue, 2023-11-07 at 09:37 -0600, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wr=
ote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left=
:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex">Google Groups is another interesting o=
ption, </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think I'm the only person o=
n this list that is strongly opposed to using google for anything. They are=
too big and they have their hand in everything, and their eyes (and analyt=
ics) on everything.</div><div><br></div><div>I remember when there were vir=
tually no gmail email addresses that posted to this list. Suddenly in 2020 =
or 2021, we had an influx of gmail subscribers and posters. That didn't esc=
ape me then and it is not lost on me now. </div><div><br></div><div>Email i=
s great for public discussion for many reasons. The fact that everyone gets=
a copy of the data, there is no single central authority that can edit ema=
ils once they have been sent out. Anyone can archive email messages, they c=
an generally store or publish the data anywhere they like. That is not the =
case with web forum content. </div><div><br></div><div>I like the lightning=
anti-spam fee idea. That would encourage me to finally adopt lightning, an=
d it would, I'm sure, produce some interesting results for the list. </div>=
<div><br></div><div>I don't think email should be out of the question. Does=
anyone besides <a href=3D"mailto:kanzure@gmail.com">kanzure@gmail.com</a> =
think that sticking with email is out of the question?</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Let's do what's necessary to stick with email. </div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>
--=-i0M10ZTVARtpBzAJw+31--
|
