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>=C2=A0As feerates have gone up over time, and as we expect them to go up f=
urther, we should be considering drastically increasing the 3 sat/vByte bas=
is to something more like 20 sat/vB.

I have no opinion on changing or removing dust limit. However, fee rates ar=
e not going up. Yes, we expect them to go up and miners revenue from fees a=
s well. Although, fees/day (in terms of BTC) has been decreasing in each cy=
cle. Fee rates have been ranging between 1 sat/vByte to 200-300 sat/vByte, =
regularly reset to 1-5 sat/vByte and very low since long time now except wh=
en hash rate went down.

Fees per MB since 2016: https://i.imgur.com/XEkkf99.png=C2=A0

Highest in this cycle on April 19 2021: 2.5 BTC
Highest in previous cycle on December 18 2017: 10 BTC

It stays low all the time except few days in each cycle.

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Prayank
=C2=A0
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&quot;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:16px" class=3D"">As feerates ha=
ve gone up over time, and as we expect them to go up further, we should be =
considering drastically increasing the 3 sat/vByte basis to something more =
like 20 sat/vB.</span></span></span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-style: normal;=
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0; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;=
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on-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style=3D=
"font-family:-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&q=
uot;, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &qu=
ot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symb=
ol&quot;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:16px" class=3D"">I have no op=
inion on changing or removing dust limit. However, fee rates are not going =
up. Yes, we expect them to go up and miners revenue from fees as well. Alth=
ough, fees/day (in terms of BTC) has been decreasing in each cycle. Fee rat=
es have been ranging between 1 sat/vByte to 200-300 sat/vByte, regularly re=
set to 1-5 sat/vByte and very low since long time now except when hash rate=
 went down.</span></span></span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color: rgb(48, 48, 48); font-style: normal; fon=
t-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; l=
etter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; tex=
t-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webk=
it-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decor=
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olor: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;=
, Roboto, &quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;A=
pple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Symbol&q=
uot;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:16px" class=3D"">Fees per MB sinc=
e 2016: </span></span></span><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/XEkkf99.png">ht=
tps://i.imgur.com/XEkkf99.png</a>&nbsp;<br><br>Highest in this cycle on Apr=
il 19 2021: 2.5 BTC<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Highest in previous cycle on=
 December 18 2017: 10 BTC<br><br>It stays low all the time except few days =
in each cycle.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div><div>Prayank<=
br></div><div>&nbsp;<br></div><div>A3B1 E430 2298 178F<br></div></div><div =
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