1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
|
Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:55 -0800
Received: from mail-yw1-f191.google.com ([209.85.128.191])
by mail.fairlystable.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
(Exim 4.94.2)
(envelope-from <bitcoindev+bncBC3PT7FYWAMRB76VVCXQMGQET3GSE7Y@googlegroups.com>)
id 1riKrG-0000xI-Ka
for bitcoindev@gnusha.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:55 -0800
Received: by mail-yw1-f191.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-609ff3206c3sf9086567b3.2
for <bitcoindev@gnusha.org>; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:54 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=googlegroups.com; s=20230601; t=1709845248; x=1710450048; darn=gnusha.org;
h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post
:list-id:mailing-list:precedence:x-original-sender:mime-version
:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:to:from:date:sender:from
:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to;
bh=lff4rJyJPlLRFG8AIVxMTTemH3rUkoUmtpj7h9nnRDU=;
b=czAHq3SzfcFP9k+jl6ad6eMcuJq7aeiArKM+Ysx2ZSdgJEB8vvsV6f0HNwtW0VjgFI
5wJgYKkB426IlBLaBfV02u5XnqqZlk7bfO4IhwnBy0YyBlFf6ynI+X6wzNUEcdp97e3C
7zMHjAy54lkbb1kSaGajr8eI+h5DYZ5wICDi7jszwLoNh26Je2oLBHtwlTJqpHU0up2t
11QJTrooWWvXjxqYLwDAT73FYYnZyeRdrKaJRYzAVsXrYLtlrmOLlQW7V2rT9sitgdFy
qKIrCg46RP9w8P7vpRnIhwHWCLSg1hBlFD0onKvQUUc5yHDZkkGcHa9DzsdK89WX10UM
NUmw==
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709845248; x=1710450048; darn=gnusha.org;
h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post
:list-id:mailing-list:precedence:x-original-sender:mime-version
:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:to:from:date:from:to:cc
:subject:date:message-id:reply-to;
bh=lff4rJyJPlLRFG8AIVxMTTemH3rUkoUmtpj7h9nnRDU=;
b=Vn4qZjCM0sypJpgztf0qh+73DchhgoXFD/XKMzzSjp2IRVaeIWv5CIvNgz/AVN/iTK
xjKFrVYxaeGTQSWk4WR2dHInAw9eGg/bvq82DwlcyWJwzd+Aspc6VfXNyJyldDwcYWjC
nwaK3h8AOG6zaKch4FBSISFya6d9LIy8JIIvWA4z47FohEsBr0Gr974V/gXp2jKDOc8I
gMdXJIEdwwfChpAVNj0SspYzOWZS2d12KepYRshzFL9O98j8u7uRaduclDXl3s9ZFv/r
+c8vg0tCn+nrcB4QsXkQ3887mAgQQEZ61Qkb3SIzACXzrQ5ki4fBOnz1idr2mkpBGpT8
0Z2A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709845248; x=1710450048;
h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post
:list-id:mailing-list:precedence:x-original-sender:mime-version
:subject:references:in-reply-to:message-id:to:from:date:x-beenthere
:x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id
:reply-to;
bh=lff4rJyJPlLRFG8AIVxMTTemH3rUkoUmtpj7h9nnRDU=;
b=uXpof7Kw2jrNsssMDGTsR1KsKa0pqgjuFvpqgCAx/ZlZUKnpp1HwOlLg11F4cXc/RU
gIeE6ogDEmQAxwzXhaxkheqJF3NQ6PSJmwfMmEevEMI4LruBzGsC1KBacCcV9NqBh2Wm
i8GmKM/hdrussjVPI/7Q20zoDu6vb4FpIM+MqYrpTX9j9sR4105VgfuJD3+MAdGYe9oj
14XoZ8WQCiKzV37GPX1XeC9uLEUO28KbCp9i5ls5U7pL5T/19wkjmgShVdIlpLxmfAPl
cGsL/r+2y+adQO45lLPYUngM/iRn4GyjSwsqTt3BYJ87zUhZIal+1jXtU7rnfujCq60/
mgBQ==
Sender: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU2vZMQvtqIKEED6JfERoeUZPl8ajc2xVtNmmpVngA4RwHi8sh546cOunK13rdWOvOZMexGplP0QK3jbeiM9OP0nWG/azM=
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwN7BkU4kUYOmz7hxNiE3hOqroJjh011fr8u9HqtORCA7oo6WGH
7CKVJFMMsE0zHYiL93Cpu9mOh8flfyZWlR2XS7Dc0JOBucsVuGZX
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE8gtqWhoGHj+6Bjg80c+RUOMsi0JLSfogvEp3mzzt/JiAbj7is5yBtQFecrmTEzqUmvAzhiA==
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:2492:b0:dc6:19ea:9204 with SMTP id ds18-20020a056902249200b00dc619ea9204mr16894882ybb.61.1709845248156;
Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:48 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com
Received: by 2002:a25:b20c:0:b0:dcc:4b24:c0df with SMTP id i12-20020a25b20c000000b00dcc4b24c0dfls742835ybj.0.-pod-prod-03-us;
Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:46 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a81:4c48:0:b0:609:371:342b with SMTP id z69-20020a814c48000000b006090371342bmr3968719ywa.1.1709845246790;
Thu, 07 Mar 2024 13:00:46 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 2002:a81:a0d5:0:b0:609:de42:876f with SMTP id 00721157ae682-60a00b7fd6dms7b3;
Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:56:15 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:1009:b0:dbe:387d:a8ef with SMTP id w9-20020a056902100900b00dbe387da8efmr652286ybt.1.1709844974858;
Thu, 07 Mar 2024 12:56:14 -0800 (PST)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:56:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail.com>
To: Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
Message-Id: <38e9e018-eb65-4950-b773-3fc1db218d86n@googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <42e6c1d1d39d811e2fe7c4c5ce6e09c705bd3dbb.camel@timruffing.de>
References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com>
<e4048607-64b7-4772-b74e-4566a4b50bc0n@googlegroups.com>
<9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org>
<42e6c1d1d39d811e2fe7c4c5ce6e09c705bd3dbb.camel@timruffing.de>
Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_Part_65818_1495607620.1709844974429"
X-Original-Sender: antoine.riard@gmail.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <bitcoindev.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512
List-Post: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/post>, <mailto:bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <https://groups.google.com/support/>, <mailto:bitcoindev+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev
List-Subscribe: <https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/subscribe>, <mailto:bitcoindev+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:googlegroups-manage+786775582512+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>,
<https://groups.google.com/group/bitcoindev/subscribe>
X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/)
------=_Part_65818_1495607620.1709844974429
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_Part_65819_721951046.1709844974429"
------=_Part_65819_721951046.1709844974429
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
> For non-dev triaging, I=20
would suggest we consider testing out the idea with perhaps Seccour
I can vet for Seccour.
Already met IRL, he's organizing bitcoin meetups somewhere in the world.
Best,
Antoine
Le jeudi 29 f=C3=A9vrier 2024 =C3=A0 16:55:52 UTC, Tim Ruffing a =C3=A9crit=
:
> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote:
> > The hard part is evaluating=20
> > if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev=20
> > skills (mainly for technical soundness).
>
> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with BIP2
> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the current
> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors.
>
> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the
> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal
> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self-
> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves
> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility
> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a
> BIP, not by the editor.=20
>
> Best,
> Tim
>
>
> [1] BIP2 says:=20
> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following:=20
>
> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas
> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be
> accepted.
> [...]"
>
--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/=
bitcoindev/38e9e018-eb65-4950-b773-3fc1db218d86n%40googlegroups.com.
------=_Part_65819_721951046.1709844974429
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,<div><br /></div><div>> For non-dev triaging, I=C2=A0<br />would sugg=
est we consider testing out the idea with perhaps Seccour</div><div><br /><=
/div><div>I can vet for Seccour.</div><div>Already met IRL, he's organizing=
bitcoin meetups somewhere in the world.</div><div><br /></div><div>Best,</=
div><div>Antoine<br /><br /></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"au=
to" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le jeudi 29 f=C3=A9vrier 2024 =C3=A0 16:55:52 UTC,=
Tim Ruffing a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br/></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); =
padding-left: 1ex;">On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote:
<br>> The hard part is evaluating=20
<br>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs de=
v=20
<br>> skills (mainly for technical soundness).
<br>
<br>I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with B=
IP2
<br>[1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the current
<br>process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors.
<br>
<br>I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the
<br>proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal
<br>formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self-
<br>contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves
<br>the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility
<br>to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a
<br>BIP, not by the editor.=20
<br>
<br>Best,
<br>Tim
<br>
<br>
<br>[1] BIP2 says:=C2=A0
<br>"For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following:=20
<br>
<br>- Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas
<br>must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be
<br>accepted.
<br>[...]"
<br></blockquote></div>
<p></p>
-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">bitcoind=
ev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msgid/bitcoindev/38e9e018-eb65-4950-b773-3fc1db218d86n%40googlegroups.=
com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter">https://groups.google.com/d/msg=
id/bitcoindev/38e9e018-eb65-4950-b773-3fc1db218d86n%40googlegroups.com</a>.=
<br />
------=_Part_65819_721951046.1709844974429--
------=_Part_65818_1495607620.1709844974429--
|
