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Okay, it was not clear to me that the questions about whether he had the=20
time were actually objections. However, his response[1] indicates that=20
he does not think that time will be an issue, so I think that complaint=20
is sufficiently addressed.

As for Ruben and Jon, I think it's clear that others on this list think=20
that they are well suited for the role.

Ava

[1]:=20
https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAO3Pvs8B+NVWFUxg6zfNXYrAfX9mhqpj9ZpNSEr4H=
WUbJKnNmw@mail.gmail.com/

On 04/21/2024 07:01 PM, Matt Corallo wrote:
> I'm a bit confused, several people have suggested that Roasbeef clearly d=
oesn't have the time
> commitment to be added as a BIP editor, and I previously noted that of th=
e list of people, only
> Kanzure and Murch have been around for a long period of time and demonstr=
ated depth in the kind of
> Bitcoin technical nomenclature and copy-editing required for this role, l=
argely via Kanzure's long
> history of Bitcoin technical transcriptions and Murch's work on stack exc=
hange and the nomenclature
> BIP at https://github.com/murchandamus/bips/pull/1/files.
>=20
> For the avoidance of doubt, this is an objection to the rest of the list.
>=20
> Matt
>=20
> On 4/20/24 3:14 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List wrote=
:
>> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform
>> everyone of what will happen on Monday.
>>
>> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there
>> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email.
>> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack,
>> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday
>> April 22nd.
>>
>> Ava
>>
>> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
>> wrote:
>>> While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at
>>> once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the
>>> nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual
>>> objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objection=
s
>>> to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share
>>> their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed
>>> by many others.
>>>
>>> Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current
>>> counts are:
>>> * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against
>>> * Murch - 13 for
>>> * Jonatack - 13 for
>>> * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against
>>> * Roasbeef - 9 for
>>> * Michael Folkson - none
>>>
>>> However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and
>>> require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process
>>> be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by
>>> achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of
>>> these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who
>>> have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list
>>> seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone reall=
y
>>> wants to deal with.
>>>
>>> I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted
>>> on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached ou=
t
>>> to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and
>>> Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public
>>> confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not
>>> received a response from Roasbeef.
>>>
>>> Ava
>>>
>>> On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote:
>>>>     > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, s=
o
>>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>>> majority.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having
>>>> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which peop=
le
>>>> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up
>>>> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not
>>>> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up
>>>> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from
>>>> their expectations.
>>>>
>>>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and
>>>> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we ne=
ed
>>>> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking o=
ff).
>>>>
>>>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from.
>>>> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their trac=
k
>>>> record in the space
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk <rdlfnvk@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rdlfnvk@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 for
>>>> Kanzure
>>>> RubenSomsen
>>>> Seccour
>>>> Jon Atack
>>>> Roasbeef
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so
>>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group
>>>> majority.
>>>>
>>>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to return to that.
>>>>
>>>> - NVK (temp gmail account)
>>>>
>>>>        On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. H=
arding wrote:
>>>>
>>>>            On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote:
>>>>             > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "=
I
>>>>            like Bob!".
>>>>
>>>>            Using only comments from the mailing list, the following ap=
pears
>>>>            to be
>>>>            the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisk=
s denote
>>>>            candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the ro=
le.
>>>>
>>>>            - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris
>>>>            Stewart[3],
>>>>            Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brando=
n
>>>>            Black[11],
>>>>            Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John
>>>>            Carvalho[16]
>>>>
>>>>            - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3=
],
>>>>            Michael
>>>>            Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[1=
5], John
>>>>            Carvalho[16]
>>>>
>>>>            - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[=
3],
>>>>            /dev/fd0[5][7],
>>>>            Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John
>>>>            Carvalho[16]
>>>>
>>>>            - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris
>>>>            Stewart[3], John
>>>>            C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoi=
ne
>>>>            Riard[12], Ava Chow[14]
>>>>
>>>>            - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6],=
 Keagan
>>>>            McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine
>>>>            Riard[12],
>>>>            Ava Chow[14]
>>>>
>>>>            - Michael Folkson*
>>>>
>>>>            Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for
>>>>            "non-dev
>>>>            triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", a=
nd
>>>>            Antoine
>>>>            Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM".
>>>>
>>>>            I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the =
above
>>>>            candidates had been especially active there, which is liste=
d
>>>>            below as:
>>>>            total PRs they commented on (number still open/number close=
d).
>>>>
>>>>            - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure
>>>>            - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen
>>>>            - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack
>>>>            - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef
>>>>            - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus
>>>>            - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson
>>>>
>>>>            I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set=
 to
>>>>            have a
>>>>            merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there =
are
>>>>            far-along
>>>>            draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent
>>>>            Payments). I
>>>>            don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it
>>>>            demonstrates
>>>>            familiarity with the process.
>>>>
>>>>            Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates abo=
ve with
>>>>            multiple recommendations from other community participants =
are
>>>>            fully
>>>>            qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed
>>>>            justification
>>>>            for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not onl=
y a
>>>>            longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as=
 Corallo
>>>>            mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology throu=
gh a
>>>>            draft
>>>>            BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review =
of
>>>>            all 300
>>>>            pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has
>>>>            reviewed
>>>>            drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases
>>>>            significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility =
of the
>>>>            documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work w=
e'd
>>>>            ask him
>>>>            to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's al=
ready
>>>>            doing,
>>>>            so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role.
>>>>
>>>>            -Dave
>>>>
>>>>            [1]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@acho=
w101.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d9792=
7551e@achow101.com/>
>>>>            [2]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dash=
jr.org/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a6=
2a3@dashjr.org/>
>>>>            [3]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@goog=
legroups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a-8fd6-cdd=
c46f129a2n@googlegroups.com/>
>>>>            [4]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netp=
urgatory.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333-fd28-bdd=
55899b713@netpurgatory.com/>
>>>>            [5]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@goog=
legroups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3=
719157fabn@googlegroups.com/>
>>>>            [6]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@goog=
legroups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2-a787-639=
a3564d006n@googlegroups.com/>
>>>>            [7]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@goog=
legroups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869-a3b1-55d=
346efbea1n@googlegroups.com/>
>>>>            [8]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=
=3DwruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFG=
L1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX=3DwruqgLEazRA5nVw9siYCPj4A@mail.gmail.com/>
>>>>            [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.=
org/
>>>>            <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbfrr4wZG7k@petertod=
d.org/>
>>>>            [10]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@matt=
corallo.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5-86e2-7ba0=
336a9bf2@mattcorallo.com/>
>>>>            [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@cons=
ole/
>>>>            <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@console/=
>
>>>>            [12]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E.=
..@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF=
6+EKMCP5oEbHSKSXpq0VKVBhJLhrw@mail.gmail.com/>
>>>>            [13]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murc=
h.one/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a-920b-32bd88d5e7=
78@murch.one/>
>>>>            [14]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@acho=
w101.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f-866d-c555b80=
b0644@achow101.com/>
>>>>            [15]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT=
5Wof_oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2j=
S4xojo=3D@protonmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85=
kmIBVBd0WpT5Wof_oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7b=
XOH4gwU1c2jS4xojo=3D@protonmail.com/>
>>>>            [16]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@goog=
legroups.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552-88ca-11b=
9ed340661n@googlegroups.com/>
>>>>            [17]
>>>>            https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=
=3D=3DYJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMH=
HROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU=3D=3DYJMvd9Qrst+nmyypaedYZgg@mail.gmail.com/>
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