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On Dec 26, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Pieter Wuille <pieter.wuille@gmail.com> =
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> I think that's extremely short, even assuming there is no controversy =
about changing the rules at all. Things like BIP65 and BIP66 already =
took significantly longer than that, were uncontroversial, and only need =
miner adoption. Full node adoption is even slower.
>=20

BIP65 and BIP66 were uncontroversial, but also generally uninteresting. =
Most people don't care about OP_CLTV right now, and they won't for quite =
a while longer. They neglect to upgrade their full nodes because there =
has been no reason to.

Given that a supermajority of users and miners have been asking for a =
hard fork to increase the blocksize for years, I do not think that =
mobilizing people to upgrade their nodes is going to be hard.

When we do the hard fork, we will need to encourage people to upgrade =
their full nodes. We may want to request that miners not trigger the =
fork until some percentage of visible full nodes have upgraded.

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after-white-space;"><div>On Dec 26, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Pieter Wuille =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:pieter.wuille@gmail.com">pieter.wuille@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><p dir=3D"ltr">I think that's extremely short, even =
assuming there is no controversy about changing the rules at all. Things =
like BIP65 and BIP66 already took significantly longer than that, were =
uncontroversial, and only need miner adoption. Full node adoption is =
even slower.</p></blockquote><br></div><div>BIP65 and BIP66 were =
uncontroversial, but also generally uninteresting. Most people don't =
care about OP_CLTV right now, and they won't for quite a while longer. =
They neglect to upgrade their full nodes because there has been no =
reason to.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Given that a supermajority of =
users and miners have been asking for a hard fork to increase the =
blocksize for years, I do not think that mobilizing people to upgrade =
their nodes is going to be hard.</div><div><br></div><div>When we do the =
hard fork, we will need to encourage people to upgrade their full nodes. =
We may want to request that miners not trigger the fork until some =
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