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Awesome graph!
It would be interesting if you could use your Excel voodoo (or whatever =
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> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com> wrote:
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> On 6/1/2015 10:21 AM, Adam Back wrote:
>> if it stays as is for a year, in a wait and see, reduce spam, see
>> fee-pressure take effect as it has before, work on improving improve
>> decentralisation metrics, relay latency, and do a blocksize increment
>> to kick the can if-and-when it becomes necessary and in the mean-time
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metrics, relay latency, and do a blocksize increment<br class=3D"">to =
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