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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin-NG whitepaper.
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Emin G=C3=BCn Sirer
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> while the whitepaper has all the nitty gritty details:
> http://arxiv.org/abs/1510.02037
Taking reward compensation back by fraud proofs is not enough to fix
the problems associated with double spending (such as, everyone has to
wait for the "real" confirmations instead of the "possibly
double-spend" confirmations). Some of this was discussed in -wizards
recently:
http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2015-09-19.log
For a system based entirely on fraud proofs and threat of fraud
proofs, see fidelity-bonded ledgers:
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2013-February/002189=
.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D146307.0
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