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Just saying that we can talk in terms of weight alone after segwit. 8 mb
weight is much more clear than 2 mb size to me. 2 mb size seems to
obfuscate the actual new limit with the proposed hf, which simply 8 mb
weight.

On 2 Apr 2017 12:03 pm, "Natanael" <natanael.l@gmail.com> wrote:

> My point, if you missed it, is that there's a mathematical equivalence
> between using two limits (and calculating the ratio) vs using one limit and
> a ratio. The output is fully identical. The only difference is the order of
> operations. Saying there's no blocksize limit with this is pretty
> meaningless, because you're just saying you're using an abstraction that
> doesn't make the limit visible.
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Just saying that we can talk in terms of weight alone aft=
er segwit. 8 mb weight is much more clear than 2 mb size to me. 2 mb size s=
eems to obfuscate the actual new limit with the proposed hf, which simply 8=
 mb weight.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On 2 Apr 2017 12:03 pm, &quot;Natanael&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:natanael=
.l@gmail.com">natanael.l@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">My point, if you missed it,=
 is that there&#39;s a mathematical equivalence between using two limits (a=
nd calculating the ratio) vs using one limit and a ratio. The output is ful=
ly identical. The only difference is the order of operations. Saying there&=
#39;s no blocksize limit with this is pretty meaningless, because you&#39;r=
e just saying you&#39;re using an abstraction that doesn&#39;t make the lim=
it visible.=C2=A0</div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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