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Hey,

As a Bitcoin association, we're currently facing an issue because we're 
unable to sign an address with our multi-sig wallet.
After conducting some research, I came across BIP322 in these threads: 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5408898.0 & 
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1347

*Explanation*:

As a Bitcoin association, we offer membership to everyone for a few 
thousand sats per year. To facilitate this process, we utilize "Swiss 
Bitcoin Pay". It's an application that allows us to easily manage our 
accounting. Additionally, we onboard merchants with this app because of its 
user-friendly interface and self-custodial capabilities, making it very 
convenient. The accounting features are also highly beneficial.

To utilize this application in a self-custodial manner, users need to paste 
a Bitcoin address on the "Swiss Bitcoin Pay" dashboard and then sign a 
message with this address. This serves as a "Proof-of-Ownership" and is a 
legal requirement in some regulated countries. "Swiss Bitcoin Pay" is not 
the only application that requires signing a message as a 
"Proof-of-Ownership". Peach, a non-KYC P2P Bitcoin application, is another 
example.

Given our goal to decentralize our treasury, we naturally opt for a 
multi-sig wallet, similar to many companies. However, as you know, BIP 322 
hasn't been pushed and it's currently impossible to sign a message with a 
multi-sig wallet.


*Conclusion*:

I'm unsure why BIP322 hasn't been pushed or addressed in the past few 
months/years, but I want to highlight its necessity.
Additionally, I hope that this comment sheds light on a deficiency in our 
Bitcoin ecosystem, and I trust that further improvements will be made to 
enable people to sign a message with a multi-sig wallet.


I'm available to assist if needed.

@ProfEduStream

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ttom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSys=
temFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, san=
s-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-si=
ze: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-=
caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: nor=
mal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initi=
al; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Hey,</=
p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-=
bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacS=
ystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-=
size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varian=
t-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start=
; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: n=
ormal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: ini=
tial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">As a=
 Bitcoin association, we're currently facing an issue because we're unable =
to sign an address with our multi-sig wallet.<br style=3D"box-sizing: borde=
r-box;" />After conducting some research, I came across BIP322 in these thr=
eads:<span> </span><a href=3D"https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D540=
8898.0">https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5408898.0</a> &amp; <a hr=
ef=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1347">https://github.com/bitcoin=
/bips/pull/1347</a><br /><br /></p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: bor=
der-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font=
-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Not=
o Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, =
&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-varia=
nt-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-s=
pacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255=
); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text=
-decoration-color: initial;"><u>Explanation</u>:</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=
=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rg=
b(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe =
UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple =
Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style:=
 normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-we=
ight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; tex=
t-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color=
: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-s=
tyle: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">As a Bitcoin association, w=
e offer membership to everyone for a few thousand sats per year. To facilit=
ate this process, we utilize "Swiss Bitcoin Pay". It's an application that =
allows us to easily manage our accounting. Additionally, we onboard merchan=
ts with this app because of its user-friendly interface and self-custodial =
capabilities, making it very convenient. The accounting features are also h=
ighly beneficial.</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margi=
n-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -appl=
e-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, =
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI=
 Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal=
; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: =
0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decora=
tion-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-co=
lor: initial;">To utilize this application in a self-custodial manner, user=
s need to paste a Bitcoin address on the "Swiss Bitcoin Pay" dashboard and =
then sign a message with this address. This serves as a "Proof-of-Ownership=
" and is a legal requirement in some regulated countries. "Swiss Bitcoin Pa=
y" is not the only application that requires signing a message as a "Proof-=
of-Ownership". Peach, a non-KYC P2P Bitcoin application, is another example=
.</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; marg=
in-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkM=
acSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; fo=
nt-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-var=
iant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: st=
art; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space=
: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: =
initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">G=
iven our goal to decentralize our treasury, we naturally opt for a multi-si=
g wallet, similar to many companies. However, as you know, BIP 322 hasn't b=
een pushed and it's currently impossible to sign a message with a multi-sig=
 wallet.</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0p=
x; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system,=
 BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&qu=
ot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; f=
ont-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-al=
ign: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; whit=
e-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thic=
kness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: init=
ial;"><br /></p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top=
: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-sys=
tem, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helve=
tica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoj=
i&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: norma=
l; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; tex=
t-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; =
white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-=
thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: =
initial;"><u>Conclusion</u>:</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border=
-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-fa=
mily: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto S=
ans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &qu=
ot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-=
ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spac=
ing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; wor=
d-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-de=
coration-color: initial;">I'm unsure why BIP322 hasn't been pushed or addre=
ssed in the past few months/years, but I want to highlight its necessity.<b=
r style=3D"box-sizing: border-box;" />Additionally, I hope that this commen=
t sheds light on a deficiency in our Bitcoin ecosystem, and I trust that fu=
rther improvements will be made to enable people to sign a message with a m=
ulti-sig wallet.</p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin=
-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple=
-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, H=
elvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI =
Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: n=
ormal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;=
 text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0=
px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decorat=
ion-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-col=
or: initial;"><br /></p><p dir=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; ma=
rgin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -ap=
ple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;=
, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe =
UI Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures=
: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: norm=
al; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing=
: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-deco=
ration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-=
color: initial;">I'm available to assist if needed<span>.</span></p><p dir=
=3D"auto" style=3D"box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: =
0px; color: rgb(31, 35, 40); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont=
, &quot;Segoe UI&quot;, &quot;Noto Sans&quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=
, &quot;Apple Color Emoji&quot;, &quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;; font-size: 14p=
x; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: n=
ormal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-in=
dent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; white-space: normal; ba=
ckground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; tex=
t-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span>@ProfEd=
uStream<br /></span></p>

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