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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Roles and procedures around adding a bitcoin core
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Hi alicexbt

There does seem to be some confusion on this which I'm going to look into. =
I don't think ranting and raving or throwing toys out the pram on the maili=
ng list is the productive way to go though. I'll chat to some people offlin=
e and see what the confusion is and hopefully this can be resolved without =
unnecessary drama. I'll respond in the new year. I don't know if you celebr=
ate but if you do Happy Holidays.

Thanks
Michael

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------- Original Message -------
On Monday, December 19th, 2022 at 23:58, alicexbt via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-=
dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:


> Hi Bitcoin Developers,
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> List of present bitcoin core maintainers:
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> Username
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> Focus Area
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> MarcoFalke
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> General, QA
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> fanquake
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> General, Build
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> hebasto
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> General, UI/UX
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> achow101
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> General, Wallet
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> glozow
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> General, Mempool
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> Last 2 developers that stepped down as bitcoin core maintainer:
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> Username
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> -------------
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> sipa
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> laanwj
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> Process followed in adding last maintainer:
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> 1) fanquake [nominated][0] glowzow as rbf/mempool/validation maintainer.
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> 2) It was discussed in an IRC [meeting][1] and most of the developers agr=
eed to add her as new maintainer except mild NACK from Jeremy Rubin. Some c=
ontributors did not like different opinions being shared in the meeting.
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> 3) A [pull request][2] was opened by glowzow to add keys. There were seve=
ral ACKs, 2 NACKs and 1 meta concept NACK.
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> My NACK: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomment-11725=
18409
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> NACK by jamesob: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524#issuecomme=
nt-1172570635
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> Meta concept NACK by luke-jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/255=
24#issuecomment-1175625779
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> Eventually everyone agreed to add glowzow as maintainer and improve the p=
rocess of adding maintainers. Pull request was merged by MarcoFalke.
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> Initiatives to improve the process and documentation:
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> 1) Jeremy opened a [pull request][3] and there were lot of disagreements =
with the documentation. It was closed since a related PR with less changes =
could be easy to agree upon.
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> 2) Related [pull request][4] with minimal documentation was also closed b=
y Jeremy with a comment that desire to improve docs seems to be missing bas=
ed on reviews.
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> 3) Jeremy opened an [issue][5] with title 'Call for Maintainer: P2P & Net=
working + Privacy' which was changed later and 'Privacy' was removed. He no=
minated jonatack and vasild was already self nominated so mentioned in the =
pull request. Nobody appreciated this effort to nominate self or others for=
 a new maintainer. Later this was closed.
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> 4) I had opened an [issue][6] with title Call for Maintainer: Privacy'. T=
his even involved privacy of contributors and not just bitcoin core. It rec=
eived some comments that made no sense and I eventually closed the issue.
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> Process being followed for adding vasild as maintainer:
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> 1) vasild volunteered to be a new maintainer on [IRC][7]
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> 2) It was discussed in IRC [meeting][8], some developers ACKed it and the=
re were no issues.
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> 3) A [pull request][9] was opened by vasild to add keys which is still op=
en and its been 4 months. There were already some ACKs from the IRC meeting=
 and pull request also received some ACKs (16 until now). fanquake, dergoeg=
ge and JeremyRubin had some disagreements. Jeremy had recently withdrawn al=
l ACK/NACK from bitcoin core repository for some reasons, fanquake has not =
replied yet and dergoegge had some new disagreements although don't mind if=
 the pull request is merged.
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> 4) Earlier disagreements were related to scoping and it was changed by va=
sild
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> 4) There was even a comment that disrespected vasild's contributions in b=
itcoin core and we had to literally share pull requests in which vasild has=
 improved bitcoin core.
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> 5) I tried adding the topic for a bitcoin core dev weekly meeting but did=
 not achieve anything.
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> Since Bitcoin Core is the reference implementation for Bitcoin and used b=
y 90% nodes, what should be the ideal process or changes you would expect i=
n roles, procedures etc.?
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> - 'Call for maintainers' issue should be opened if contributors or mainta=
iners need a new maintainer.
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> - Discussion about nominated contributors in an IRC meeting where everyon=
e is allowed to share their opinion.
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> - One of the nominated contributor that gets most ACKs could open pull re=
quest to add keys. Everyone can ACK/NACK this PR with reasons.
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> - Maintainers should be unbiased in merging these pull requests.
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> - New maintainer should not be funded by the organization that already do=
es it for most of the maintainers.
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> - Long term contributors that are not living in a first world country sho=
uld be encouraged.
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> - Either we should agree every maintainer is a general maintainer that ca=
n merge pull request from different modules or define scope for present and=
 new maintainers. We can't do both.
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> - Self merging pull requests should be avoided.
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> Let me know if you have any thoughts that could improve this process and =
involve less politics.
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> [0]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-28#826651
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> [1]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-06-30#827695
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> [2]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25524
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> [3]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25560
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> [4]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25839
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> [5]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25870
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> [6]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25875
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> [7]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-12#842847=
;
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> [8]: https://bitcoin-irc.chaincode.com/bitcoin-core-dev/2022-08-18#844523
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> [9]: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/25871
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