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Folks,
I think the current situation with forks could have been avoided with a =
better process that can distinguish between different layers for bitcoin =
modification proposals.
For instance, BIP64 was proposed by Mike Hearn, which does not affect =
the consensus layer at all. Many Core devs disliked the proposal and =
Mike had lots of pushback. Regardless of whether or not you agree with =
the merits of Mike=E2=80=99s ideas here, fact is having nodes that =
support BIP64 would not fundamentally break the Bitcoin network.
This issue prompted Mike to break off from Core and create XT as the =
applications he was developing required BIP64 to work. With this split, =
Gavin found a new home for his big block ideas=E2=80=A6and the two =
teamed up.
We need to have a process that clearly distinguishes these different =
layers and allows much more freedom in the upper layers while requiring =
agreement at the consensus layer. Many of these fork proposals are =
actually conflating different features, only some of which would =
actually be consensus layer changes. When people proposing nonconsensus =
features get pushback from Core developers they feel rejected and are =
likely to team up with others trying to push for hard forks and the =
like.
A while back I had submitted a BIP - BIP123 - that addresses this =
issue. I have updated it to include all the currently proposed and =
accepted BIPs and have submitted a PR: =
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/311 =
<https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/311>
I urge everyone to seriously consider getting this BIP accepted as a top =
priority before we get more projects all trying their hand at stuff and =
not understanding these critical distinctions.
- Eric
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Folks,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
think the current situation with forks could have been avoided with a =
better process that can distinguish between different layers for bitcoin =
modification proposals.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">For instance, BIP64 was proposed by Mike Hearn, which does =
not affect the consensus layer at all. Many Core devs disliked the =
proposal and Mike had lots of pushback. Regardless of whether or not you =
agree with the merits of Mike=E2=80=99s ideas here, fact is having nodes =
that support BIP64 would not fundamentally break the Bitcoin =
network.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This =
issue prompted Mike to break off from Core and create XT as the =
applications he was developing required BIP64 to work. With this split, =
Gavin found a new home for his big block ideas=E2=80=A6and the two =
teamed up.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We =
need to have a process that clearly distinguishes these different layers =
and allows much more freedom in the upper layers while requiring =
agreement at the consensus layer. Many of these fork proposals are =
actually conflating different features, only some of which would =
actually be consensus layer changes. When people proposing nonconsensus =
features get pushback from Core developers they feel rejected and are =
likely to team up with others trying to push for hard forks and the =
like.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A while =
back I had submitted a BIP - BIP123 - that addresses this issue. I =
have updated it to include all the currently proposed and accepted BIPs =
and have submitted a PR: <a =
href=3D"https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/311" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/311</a></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I urge everyone to =
seriously consider getting this BIP accepted as a top priority before we =
get more projects all trying their hand at stuff and not understanding =
these critical distinctions.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- =
Eric</div></body></html>=
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