1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
|
Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193]
helo=mx.sourceforge.net)
by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76)
(envelope-from <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>) id 1WXDSo-0003cU-Hx
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:36:06 +0000
Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com
designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender)
client-ip=209.85.214.172;
envelope-from=brent.shambaugh@gmail.com;
helo=mail-ob0-f172.google.com;
Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172])
by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
(Exim 4.76) id 1WXDSn-0008GJ-3e
for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net;
Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:36:06 +0000
Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id wm4so6906140obc.17
for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>;
Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.182.205.226 with SMTP id lj2mr1698031obc.84.1396892159741;
Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.76.12.105 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgT5xfYzup01+USkFmFWi=FtDfbPY1HPpTLyQ+6_ejGOZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANEZrP2rgiQHpekEpFviJ22QsiV+s-F2pqosaZOA5WrRtJx5pg@mail.gmail.com>
<5342C833.5030906@gmail.com>
<CAAS2fgTqBfEPXh2dfcL_ke6c0wfXw4qUM1rAYMkAHcAM6mYH+g@mail.gmail.com>
<5342D1DB.8060203@monetize.io>
<CAAS2fgRu-0C_ozaN0qSc9SvF2TpZ56NwceLCrfQjikuQgc85tQ@mail.gmail.com>
<5342D9FA.8080102@monetize.io>
<CAAS2fgT5xfYzup01+USkFmFWi=FtDfbPY1HPpTLyQ+6_ejGOZA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 12:35:59 -0500
Message-ID: <CACvcBVq2+37jWgxBg2Zjj6KFtT1ZnZzTa7FOw1sLwimeT0ahhA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c22e9af897cd04f6774cad
X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/)
X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net.
See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
-1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for
sender-domain
0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider
(brent.shambaugh[at]gmail.com)
-0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record
1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
-0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from
author's domain
0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature,
not necessarily valid
-0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature
X-Headers-End: 1WXDSn-0008GJ-3e
Cc: Bitcoin Development <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Why are we bleeding nodes?
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>,
<mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:36:06 -0000
--001a11c22e9af897cd04f6774cad
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
How difficult would it be to set up a node? Using lots of electricity at
home (if required) could be an issue, but I do have a Webfaction account.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>
> wrote:
> > On 04/07/2014 09:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> >> That is an implementation issue-- mostly one that arises as an indirect
> >> consequence of not having headers first and the parallel fetch, not a
> >> requirements issue.
> >
> > Oh, absolutely. But the question "why are people not running full
> > nodes?" has to do with the current implementation, not abstract
> > capabilities of a future version of the bitcoind code base.
>
> The distinction is very important because it's a matter of things we
> can and should fix vs things that cannot be fixed except by changing
> goals/incentives! Opposite approaches to handling them.
>
> When I read "resource requirements of a full node are moving beyond" I
> didn't extract from that that "there are implementation issues that
> need to be improved to make it work better for low resource users" due
> to the word "requirements".
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Put Bad Developers to Shame
> Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration
> Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment
> Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees
> _______________________________________________
> Bitcoin-development mailing list
> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
>
--001a11c22e9af897cd04f6774cad
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<div dir=3D"ltr">How difficult would it be to set up a node? Using lots of =
electricity at home (if required) could be an issue, but I do have a Webfac=
tion account. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:gmaxwell@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gmaxwell@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"">On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Mark Friedenbach <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mark@monetize.io">mark@monetize.io</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 04/07/2014 09:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:<br>
>> That is an implementation issue— mostly one that arises as a=
n indirect<br>
>> consequence of not having headers first and the parallel fetch, no=
t a<br>
>> requirements issue.<br>
><br>
> Oh, absolutely. But the question "why are people not running full=
<br>
> nodes?" has to do with the current implementation, not abstract<b=
r>
> capabilities of a future version of the bitcoind code base.<br>
<br>
</div>The distinction is very important because it's a matter of things=
we<br>
can and should fix vs things that cannot be fixed except by changing<br>
goals/incentives! Opposite approaches to handling them.<br>
<br>
When I read "resource requirements of a full node are moving beyond&qu=
ot; I<br>
didn't extract from that that "there are implementation issues tha=
t<br>
need to be improved to make it work better for low resource users" due=
<br>
to the word "requirements".<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---<br>
Put Bad Developers to Shame<br>
Dominate Development with Jenkins Continuous Integration<br>
Continuously Automate Build, Test & Deployment<br>
Start a new project now. Try Jenkins in the cloud.<br>
<a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees" target=3D"_blank">http://p.=
sf.net/sfu/13600_Cloudbees</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Bitcoin-development mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo=
pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development=
" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de=
velopment</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
--001a11c22e9af897cd04f6774cad--
|
