1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
|
Return-Path: <jtimon@jtimon.cc>
Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org
[172.17.192.35])
by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AEB2A95
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:39:02 +0000 (UTC)
X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
Received: from mail-vk0-f49.google.com (mail-vk0-f49.google.com
[209.85.213.49])
by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A5C2212
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:39:01 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by mail-vk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id r125so17080261vkf.1
for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>;
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:39:01 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=jtimon-cc.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623;
h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to;
bh=lL7AOS8wXs6/TOSY0xSx4rvd2XW7YhknCXbF9aaaiTE=;
b=BrDlPQNf9ALwvDeHVwF0I0QiqwMRiQYADK6RpXclVFAa7yLZeVAGwPI4suQYAh5GJc
Q0JhT8NbJWd4OfrCnKmOV24VVt/Vx8goEiLXB6pa3J5Io+x8a0Z8o6DlYL3xcYi/UtFj
vXwCKP6saCNmaBugbRnb5g2k8GpJBi7bdKCzjy2F66w7MURHyxMrsa6rwyCV/29vnzjy
WdQiD1XClF0VhJW4F8cRDSKIfh/nTZmVbgJad2iTAOXIK3uQK3cEDBD4auawYdQHA3BI
zGSqkSrG/7l29mBflBfGAPEqUMbFNoXM1AJd124HHdPhmAAUMjOCrH5M590PtVxzd971
fS+g==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
d=1e100.net; s=20161025;
h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date
:message-id:subject:to;
bh=lL7AOS8wXs6/TOSY0xSx4rvd2XW7YhknCXbF9aaaiTE=;
b=GZamjSrTVV2rl2vA/jk05Mghhv9qSlr4ovHgx1s05QOYJN6J8isrS8zcwIRhqH4ixc
IvYxecyX1gz2eyPJEw4skSTkVMPdoFN26RD4IGI9hKmOeohUtbQxYA6l5wxFdlF9scXY
ZEYRD/r2dPPXEnaOxeDvrWk5cN7/ChXO1fuiILWmetltKBpT+cly1kF62xoVDa3zGTUy
qqo6ULv+IansXoS2VBtnvWISBw5RsbzzhXNyIl0XfStZ+smfMC9JJR3747yNiq1WKdJw
uGkSe0E9wrUjcVe0+/6YN0boFJ46jAByPxcALMLhX9692spmAwBzfbDn+jX5M7fXjLzs
vyww==
X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1116m3ZzN7aEu2lewe1evzomzvSigWJWJwVs3tJaReNF/8Xxl/uA
h3iZwI4NTAbBPqksk14m2JPEd2cIDpML
X-Received: by 10.31.165.23 with SMTP id o23mr1963907vke.37.1499881140067;
Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.31.52.85 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.31.52.85 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7869651.CRYTeDpGy9@strawberry>
References: <CAKzdR-qCmuj02yobAj9YDYq7Ed309z2VUaMtbL_i9vF3zkp5mw@mail.gmail.com>
<CAKzdR-oRdX-fXyc6womZOyYyfHUJZdgh92FUMM8pR_QDNiJfkQ@mail.gmail.com>
<CABm2gDo0wgqkEufKn=Z8uAsi=_6fgE=0TS6Bcr21mg3xAX7Kyw@mail.gmail.com>
<7869651.CRYTeDpGy9@strawberry>
From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= <jtimon@jtimon.cc>
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:38:58 +0200
Message-ID: <CABm2gDqgve88eE4=dDD8FqGZQNNgRtOvXAhqSTWu_wy4zG+6Eg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
Tom Zander <tomz@freedommail.ch>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142ee3c8f30df0554224a5a"
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,
DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on
smtp1.linux-foundation.org
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:24:56 +0000
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A Segwit2x BIP
X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/>
List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>,
<mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:39:02 -0000
--001a1142ee3c8f30df0554224a5a
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 12 Jul 2017 2:31 pm, "Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev" <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Monday, 10 July 2017 20:38:08 CEST Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev wrot=
e:
> I think anything less than 1 year after release of tested code by some
> implementation would be irresponsible for any hardfork, even a very
> simple one.
Good news!
Code to support 2x (the hard fork part of the proposal) has been out and
tested for much longer than that.
Not true. It's different code on top of segwit. The first attempt in btc1
(very recent) didn't even increased the size (because it changed the
meaningless "base size" without touching the weight limit. As for the
current code, I don't think it has been properly tested today, let alone
"for mucj longer than 1 year.
Anyway, I said, one year from tested release. Segwitx2 hasn't been
released, has it? If so, too late to discuss a bip imo, the bip may end up
being different from what has been released due to feedback (unless it is
ignored again, of course).
--
Tom Zander
Blog: https://zander.github.io
Vlog: https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel
_______________________________________________
bitcoin-dev mailing list
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
--001a1142ee3c8f30df0554224a5a
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On 12 Jul 2017 2:31 pm, "Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev" &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@list=
s.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div class=3D"quoted-text">On Monday, 10 July 2017 20:38:08 CEST=
Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev wrote:<br>
> I think anything less than 1 year after release of tested code by some=
<br>
> implementation would be irresponsible for any hardfork, even a very<br=
>
> simple one.<br>
<br>
</div>Good news!<br>
<br>
Code to support 2x (the hard fork part of the proposal) has been out and<br=
>
tested for much longer than that.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Not true. It's different code on=
top of segwit. The first attempt in btc1 (very recent) didn't even inc=
reased the size (because it changed the meaningless "base size" w=
ithout touching the weight limit. As for the current code, I don't thin=
k it has been properly tested today, let alone "for mucj longer than 1=
year.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Anyway, I said, one year from tested release.=
Segwitx2 hasn't been released, has it? If so, too late to discuss a bi=
p imo, the bip may end up being different from what has been released due t=
o feedback (unless it is ignored again, of course).</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Tom Zander<br>
Blog: <a href=3D"https://zander.github.io" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://zander.github.io</a><br>
Vlog: <a href=3D"https://vimeo.com/channels/tomscryptochannel" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://vimeo.com/channels/<wbr>tomscryptochannel<=
/a><br>
</font><div class=3D"elided-text">______________________________<wbr>______=
___________<br>
bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org">bitcoin-dev@lists.=
<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.<wbr>org=
/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-<wbr>dev</a><br>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
--001a1142ee3c8f30df0554224a5a--
|
