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On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> And this is why I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.
>
If you think developers do not talk politics go read LKML... Politics are
inevitable.
I think the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that"
belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).
>
> Regards,
> Theo Chino
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (politics in NYS about
> bitcoin.)
> http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earlier this year about whether
>> he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and
>> was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would
>> unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political
>> shenanigans.
>>
>> On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> > Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being
>> governed
>> > by those who are dumber.
>> > - Plato
>> >
>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>> >
>> > Alex,
>> >
>> > With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i=
s
>> not
>> > technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to
>> technical
>> > discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved=
,
>> even
>> > technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little=
chance of
>> > actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh=
ere
>> everything
>> > depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.
>> >
>> > On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev
>> > <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs
>> would
>> > sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it. So I'll just say it
>> from
>> > myself.
>> >
>> > There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months
>> regarding
>> > a hard fork with respect to block size. However the sheer volume of
>> email
>> > and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical
>> has
>> > rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica=
l
>> > discussion related to Bitcoin development. Many of us share the blame
>> for
>> > letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that
>> an
>> > appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to=
a
>> > higher signal-to-noise ratio.
>> > -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to
>> > technical development before sending it.
>> > -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin=
g
>> the
>> > same topic.
>> > This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t=
he
>> > philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin. Although such a debate may be
>> > worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion. Every
>> email
>> > you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as
>> much
>> > as you value yours. If your intended audience isn't really the
>> majority of
>> > them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>And this is why =
I love Bitcoin, politics + technical =3D all in one.<br></div></div></div><=
/div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you think developers do not =
talk politics go read LKML... Politics are inevitable.<br></div><div>I thin=
k the "I don't know enough to code (Bitcoin) but I think that"=
; belongs somewhere else (This is the -dev list).<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div></div>=
<br></div>Regards,<br></div>Theo Chino<br></div><a href=3D"https://www.face=
book.com/groups/557495624389384" target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com=
/groups/557495624389384</a> (politics in NYS about bitcoin.)<br><font size=
=3D"1"><a href=3D"http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-=
bitcoin-new-york" target=3D"_blank">http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/=
french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york</a></font><br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb=
"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Haha. Reminds me of when I asked Gavin earli=
er this year about whether<br>
he cared about politics and he replied that he only cared about and<br>
was responsible for the technicals. Little did he know he would<br>
unwittingly become the technical enabler for Mike's political<br>
shenanigans.<br>
<br>
On 19 August 2015 at 21:19, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev<br>
<div><div><<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being go=
verned<br>
> by those who are dumber.<br>
> - Plato<br>
><br>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Eric Lombrozo <<a href=3D"mailto:elomb=
rozo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Alex,<br>
><br>
> With all due respect, right now the biggest challenge facing Bitcoin i=
s not<br>
> technical but political. I would love to see this list go back to tech=
nical<br>
> discussions, but unfortunately, until this political stuff is resolved=
, even<br>
> technical discussion is purely philosophical as there=E2=80=99s little=
chance of<br>
> actually making good progress on consensus=E2=80=A6which in a space wh=
ere everything<br>
> depends on consensus pretty much makes everything else moot.<br>
><br>
> On Aug 19, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Alex Morcos via bitcoin-dev<br>
> <<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D=
"_blank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> This is a message that I wrote and had hoped that all the core devs wo=
uld<br>
> sign on to, but I failed to finish organizing it.=C2=A0 So I'll ju=
st say it from<br>
> myself.<br>
><br>
> There has been a valuable discussion over the last several months rega=
rding<br>
> a hard fork with respect to block size.=C2=A0 However the sheer volume=
of email<br>
> and proportion of discussion that is more philosophical than technical=
has<br>
> rendered this list almost unusable for its primary purpose of technica=
l<br>
> discussion related to Bitcoin development.=C2=A0 Many of us share the =
blame for<br>
> letting the discourse run off topic to such a degree, and we hope that=
an<br>
> appeal for individual self restraint will allow this list to return to=
a<br>
> higher signal-to-noise ratio.<br>
> -Please consider the degree to which any email you send is related to<=
br>
> technical development before sending it.<br>
> -Please consider how many emails you are sending to this list regardin=
g the<br>
> same topic.<br>
> This list is not appropriate for an endless back and forth debate on t=
he<br>
> philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin.=C2=A0 Although such a debate m=
ay be<br>
> worthwhile it should be taken to another forum for discussion.=C2=A0 E=
very email<br>
> you send is received by hundreds of developers who value their time as=
much<br>
> as you value yours.=C2=A0 If your intended audience isn't really t=
he majority of<br>
> them, perhaps private communication would be more appropriate.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Alex<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
> <a href=3D"https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-=
dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org=
/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> bitcoin-dev mailing list<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org</a><br>
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dev" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.linuxfoundation.org=
/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev</a><br>
><br>
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</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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